D&V List No.1007
Jer 23:21  I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not
spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22  But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people
to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way,
and from the evil of their doings.
Date: Saturday 11 September 2004
Topic: Advancement and credibility in hearing the voice of God
Contents:
* I began to shout in tongues and asking Jesus to protect us... I knew
that either He'll help us or we'll die. We needed to do things rapidly.
There was no time to even wait for God's answer. I was running asking
Him: "this way, Lord???" and I had an instant answer a conviction in the
Spirit: "No, turn left" and later: "Yes this way' then 'Go straight on '
etc hearing His voice. Very significant dreams about hearing the voice
of God by Dorota submitted on 08 Sept. 2004 and comment by Paula Cavu.
* I was praying and taken in the Spirit and seen a vision. I seen Jesus
and He took me by the hand and I flew with Him in the heavenlies, we
flew and we twirled. He then said `Look' and I saw a white city and in
the city I saw those in my life who had gone on before me. After a time,
Jesus then said, `enter into my joy.' This joy was in His bosom or being
at His bosom. Vision experience by Kathryn on 17 Aug. 2004.
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I BEGAN TO SHOUT IN TONGUES AND ASKING JESUS TO PROTECT US... I knew
that either He'll help us or we'll die. We needed to do things rapidly.
There was no time to even wait for God's answer. I was running asking
Him: "this way, Lord???" and I had an instant answer a conviction in the
Spirit: "No, turn left" and later: "Yes this way' then 'Go straight on '
etc hearing His voice. Very significant dreams about hearing the voice
of God by Dorota submitted on 08 Sept. 2004 and comment by Paula Cavu.

From: Dorota [mailto:newlife888@wp.pl]
Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 12:59 AM

Blessings to you Paula and all friends reading!

I believe and pray you continue to follow God's voice in this difficult
time of confusion and so many wrong voices around us.

** After reading this dream I can see how you had an idea what these
dreams were about. That is, they were about the ability and the
credibility of hearing the voice of God. So many are attributing to God
the thoughts and intents of their own hearts and using words such as,
GOD SAID and GOD SHOWED ME, much of which turn out to be clouds without
water in their lightness, ineffectiveness and incredibility. With this
situation quite rampant in the churches, the prophets themselves
continue to use such words without regard to the degradation of the
integrity thereof in people who copy them and thereby contribute to the
confusion you mentioned. When one truly hears from God, whether or not
the words GOD SAID and GOD SHOWED ME are used does not really matter.
However, wisdom needs to be used in a religious environment where these
words have been adulterated. The adulteration is by those who
desperately need endorsement for the uncertain prophetic words that they
seek to express.

Much can be cleared when there is an element of uncertainty if the
people said, I BELIEVE THAT THE LORD WAS SAYING or I BELIEVE GOD WAS
SHOWING. This allows the prophets to judge the statement just as the
interpretation of parables, symbolism and metaphors of dreams are
inherently subject to being judged. Obviously, when God actually speaks
to someone and is heard or seen word for word then the person could
confidently say, GOD SAID. Similarly, when one actually sees something
that God actually showed and not needing much interpretation and not
conjured up in ones own imagination, the words GOD SHOWED ME can be used
in purity of conscience. Truth, humility, wisdom and maturity must reign
in the hearts of the prophets. That is, the conscience must be pure when
one is attributing to God that which came from God. In a situation where
the conscience is defiled or even seared as with a hot iron, then only
the hand of God can rectify the situation through judgment.

Jer 23:9  Concerning the prophets. My heart within me is broken, all my
bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath
overcome, because of Jehovah, and because of his holy words.
Jer 23:10  For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing
the land mourneth; the pastures of the wilderness are dried up. And
their course is evil, and their might is not right;
Jer 23:11  for both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house
have I found their wickedness, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:12  Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery places in
the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein; for I will
bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith Jehovah.
Jer 23:13  And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they
prophesied by Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
Jer 23:14  In the prophets of Jerusalem also I have seen a horrible
thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies; and they strengthen the
hands of evil-doers, so that none doth return from his wickedness: they
are all of them become unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as
Gomorrah.

Jer 23:30  Therefore, behold, I am against the prophets, saith Jehovah,
that steal my words every one from his neighbor.
Jer 23:31  Behold, I am against the prophets, saith Jehovah, that use
their tongues, and say, He saith.
Jer 23:32  Behold, I am against them that prophesy lying dreams, saith
Jehovah, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and
by their vain boasting: yet I sent them not, nor commanded them; neither
do they profit this people at all, saith Jehovah.

Last month I had two dreams.  I feel they have got much to do with my
prayer to God for hearing His voice correctly and following His voice
not any other. Your insight will be very helpful to me.

Dream  on 15/16 August

Scene 1
 I was somewhere with my students on holiday. It was too late to get
back home so we decided to stay overnight. The interesting thing was
that all the students I was with in that dream were graduates I don't
teach them anymore.

** Being with graduates that you do not teach anymore implied that the
message of this dream is about graduating from being children to
adulthood in things that have to do with the credibility and the
integrity of hearing the voice or expression of God. (see D&V List
No.995)

Scene 2
Another scene was a classroom and a foreign man teaching us all, we were
doing some drawing. Then a young man (photographer) was taking a photo
of our group. He had dark complexion and black hair.  Everybody admired
how handsome he was and wanted to be friends with him. I was not
interested in his outward appearance at all.

** Here is a scenario where the inward invisible Holy Spirit (foreign
man) is teaching the disciples of Jesus Christ as Jesus stated in the
Gospels but the people are drawn to that which is outward, visible and
of flesh and blood. In representing the new end time church order, you
were not drawn to that which was outward and of the world.

Mat 16:17  And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon
Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven.
Mat 16:18  And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this
rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail
against it.

Scene 3
Then I went outside and I knew there was a child/student with me but I
don't know who it was exactly. I was in the street but not in Europe,
day time. Suddenly I noticed it started to rain, however it was a very
heavy rain falling only in certain spots of the street. When I saw it I
knew something disastrous was going to happen also in the dream I had a
feeling of destruction coming. The rain started to kill people. I saw a
man about 60 metres from us being killed, he was crying in terrible
pain. Then I heard a local man screaming to all the passers-by -
"Hide!!" Everybody was in panic running away in different directions.

** This scenario describes the judgment of God upon the prophetic that
has been the selfist expression of a defiled conscience or a conscience
seared as with a hot iron. In this respect many instructors (prophets
and priests) teaching the doctrines of seducing and deceiving spirits
over the years and decades are partly responsible.

Jam 3:1  My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive
the greater condemnation.

When I heard him we (me and a child) were under a concrete wall. I began
to shout in tongues and asking Jesus to protect us... I knew that either
He'll help us or we'll die. We needed to do things rapidly. There was no
time to even wait for God's answer. I was running asking Him: "this way,
Lord???" and I had an instant answer a conviction in the Spirit: "No,
turn left" and later: "Yes this way' then 'Go straight on ' etc hearing
His voice. Then hiding in a building high stairs, lots of red and pink
female shoes, the place looked suspicious I thought it was a brothel.  I
asked a guy there: "Is this place safe?" He answered: "Sure, it is."
However, I sensed it wasn't. We left and finally found a small recess
where we were safe. The end.

** In the time of judgment and the desperation thereof, the sheep shall
be separated from the goats according to their ability to hear the voice
of the Shepherd. The sheep that truly hear the voice of the Shepherd
will be led through danger to safety but the goats of the flock will be
lead of their own hearts and of the spirits of the darkness of this
world that they follow unto their own destruction.

Joh 10:4  And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them,
and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

** Those that credibly hear the voice of the Shepherd in the conscious
state recognize it as an instant answer to their question in the form of
a conviction in the Spirit. They also hear it in the sense of right and
wrong in and through their pure and undefiled conscience.

Heb 5:12  For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of
God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Heb 5:13  For every one that useth milk is unskillfull in the word of
righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14  But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even
those who BY REASON OF USE HAVE THEIR SENSES EXERCISED TO DISCERN BOTH
GOOD AND EVIL.

Dream on 29/30 August

It was a short dream but very clear.

I was driving a car and my father was sitting next to me. I could see
the road before me and didn't have problems driving, however I knew that
I didn't know yet how to drive perfectly. I was also to ask my father
how to use indicator lights and windshield wiper in the car. Then I got
out and noticed that the paint on the right side of the car was slightly
damaged. Probably by my mistake in driving. The car was beautiful, light
blue with silver shining surface. I looked at the back of the car and
saw a name "Subaru"    The end.

** The blue and silver car represents your divinely given prophetic
ministry which is of the new end time church order. Your father who is
teaching and discipling you to operate in the prophetic perfectly is
depicting your heavenly Father. He will lead you in the direction that
you are to go, as portrayed in the first dream (how to use the indicator
lights). He will cause the eyes of your understanding to see clearly
(how to use the windshield wiper).

Eph 1:17  That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory,
may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge
of him:
Eph 1:18  THE EYES OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING BEING ENLIGHTENED; that ye may
know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory
of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19  And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward
who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

Dorota, I find it very exciting and encouraging that the subject matter
of this dream is exactly what I have been dwelling on in the last two
days. I felt pressed to write a web page article on the subject. When I
read your email and the dreams I just shook my head in joyful amazement.
What I now believe to be the prompting of God has been fulfilled in your
dreams and my comments here. Glory to God!

BTW I drive a Subaru Liberty in real life.

REEPONSE FROM DOROTA

From: Dorota [mailto:newlife888@wp.pl]
Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:17 PM

Blessings and thanks to you Paula!

Thank you so much!!! Our God is really amazing. Jesus is all the same,
yesterday, today and forever. All the Glory to Him!!!

In Christ Jesus
dying to self

Dorota
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I WAS PRAYING AND TAKEN IN THE SPIRIT AND SEEN A VISION. I seen Jesus
and He took me by the hand and I flew with Him in the heavenlies, we
flew and we twirled. He then said `Look' and I saw a white city and in
the city I saw those in my life who had gone on before me. After a time,
Jesus then said, `enter into my joy.' This joy was in His bosom or being
at His bosom. Vision experience by Kathryn on 17 Aug. 2004.
From: Katbip4@aol.com [mailto:Katbip4@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2004 5:03 AM

8/17/04...I was praying and taken in the Spirit and seen a vision. I
seen Jesus and He took me by the hand and I flew with Him in the
heavenlies, we flew and we twirled. He then said `Look' and I saw a
white city and in the city I saw those in my life who had gone on before
me. After a time, Jesus then said, `enter into my joy.' This joy was in
His bosom or being at His bosom, trying to explain this.. that's where
the joy is, which then in turn is my joy. I was thanking Him for loving
me so. He then said` Look' and I saw myself on a platform before a
congregation of people. Around me, from my right, to behind and on my
left were angels who were fire. Then above us was Jesus, lifted up, the
King of Glory. I saw as I ministered the peoples eyes looking toward
Jesus, the King of Glory and coming to Him. The broken in heart, and as
they came, He poured oil upon them. He then said, ` this is what you'll
do for my kingdom. It has been decreed, it has been appointed, it has
been anointed. I am with you always, even to the end.'   I then heard,
Ho, Ho ( I cried so much during all of this and physically was almost
unable to contain what I was being shown, if that makes sense).

I came out from the vision...I had no idea what Ho, Ho was or meant so I
looked it up and found two verses, Isa.55:1, Zeh.2:6   howy, taken from
halak, meaning..to walk, come, enter, forward, on, out, up and down, +
greater, grow, lead, march, run(along), send, speedily, spread, still,
surely

That is some of the meaning.  I want to put this before you to weigh it
and judge it and give me counsel according to what the Spirit of God
speaks to you concerning this. I appreciate very much, your input and
counsel and will take to heart whatever it is you may advise. If there
is something in this you may see `wanting' please let me know, I am open
to whatever the Spirit of God speaks through you, as like I said, I look
to you as a pastor and mentor in these things.

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