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D&V List No.1021

1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the
Spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely
given to us of God.
1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's
wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual
things with spiritual.

Date: Saturday 23 October 2004

Contents:
* The dream could be implying that church is not being made into the
image and likeness of Christ. Unless this is rectified and the people of
God return into the way of the Lord in being filled, taught and led of
the Spirit (new end time church order), church will continue to apostate
into the image of sinful and carnal humanity. Dream by Pastor Hennie
Roetz submitted on 20 Oct. 2004 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.

* In my opinion I think these three dreams show the aggressive
progression in the spiritual realm of these "wild cats". Personally I
use these three dreams in intercession asking for protection from these
" cats". In my opinion, in the early nineties they were laying, mid
nineties they were pacing, and now they are rushing and attacking. From
Susan Cox submitted on 21 Oct. 2004.

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THE DREAM COULD BE IMPLYING THAT CHURCH IS NOT BEING MADE INTO THE IMAGE
and likeness of Christ. Unless this is rectified and the people of God
return into the way of the Lord in being filled, taught and led of the
Spirit (new end time church order), church will continue to apostate
into the image of sinful and carnal humanity. Dream by Pastor Hennie
Roetz submitted on 20 Oct. 2004 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.

Subject: Dream: Hennie Roetz
From: "Hennie & Edie Roetz" <henedie@bellsouth.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:41:49 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
To: "Paula (Daystar) Cavu" <daystar48@optusnet.com.au>

Good Morning Paula,

I had this short dream and would like your input.

" I saw two people of Greek origin in bed and surrounding their bed were
gold bars, floor to ceiling. These bars were not raised, however it
would appear that when they went to sleep they raised the bars.

** The beginning of this dream establishes the basic message of this
dream which is the divine Rest of God (bed surrounded by gold bars) in
the New Testament Covenant (New Testament Bible originally written in
Greek) in Christ Jesus.

Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of
entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

At the foot end of the bed on a raised platform stood a very old "Grand
Piano", the veneer was dull and it looked rather dusty.

** The dream is saying that in the Rest of God there is the praise and
worship of the people that are filled with the Spirit of God as
symbolized by the grand piano. The dream is saying that this is
neglected in the churches (dull and dusty).

Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled
with the Spirit;
Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual
songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord;
Eph 5:20 Giving thanks always for all things unto God and the Father in
the name of our Lord Jesus Christ;

Psa 138:4 All the kings of the earth shall praise thee, O LORD, when
they hear the words of thy mouth.
Psa 138:5 Yea, they shall sing in the ways of the LORD: for great is
the glory of the LORD.

To the right of the bed, on another raised platform stood a Dresser
with a mirror, of the same wood and also looked very old and dusty. I
enquired after this and the lady said that the old furniture had
history. She pointed me to the mirror and said that at one time the
mirror was broken and shards of glass was pointing at all angles. As she
told me, I saw the shattered mirror and reached out to touch it, she
sharply rebuked me and said that there is an age old method for fixing
broken mirrors. She stepped behind the dresser and slowly pushed the
glass forward, as she did so, a silver film like substance ran down the
mirror and where it was broken before, it was repaired without the
slightest of hint that it had been broken.

** The dresser with the mirror is often symbolic of the standing of the
believer in the image and likeness of Christ. Here the dream is saying
that the Rest of God embodies being made into or attaining unto the
measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ. The dream is saying
that this condition in the Church has also been neglected (looked very
old and dusty) and abused (broken glass). The dream could be implying
that church is not being made into the image and likeness of Christ.
Unless this is rectified and the people of God return into the way of
the Lord in being filled, taught and led of the Spirit (new end time
church order), church will continue to apostate into the image of sinful
and carnal humanity.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not
come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be
revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
showing himself that he is God.

** Herein lies the error of the doctrine of self esteem that is of the
academia and religions of this world and of the churches given to the
spirit of the world. The esteeming of sinful apostate self is at odds
with attaining unto the image and likeness of Christ and the divine
mystery thereof.

Eph 5:32 This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the
church.

Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the
knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the
stature of the fullness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and
cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
Eph 4:15 But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all
things, which is the head, even Christ:

** The mending of the mirror in the dream represents hope for the
churches, as it calls out for the people to return unto the Lord in the
direct teaching and leading of the Spirit.

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father
will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all
things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while
he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his
thoughts: and let him RETURN UNTO THE LORD, and he will have mercy upon
him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways
my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways
higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and
returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth
and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it
shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I
please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

I asked her after the method of repair and she was quick to point out
that some methods are passed from generation to generation without
question " I then woke up, fell asleep and had the dream a second time,
however this time the faces were even more pronounced and the furniture
even duller than before.

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord
is, there is liberty.
2Co 3:18 BUT WE ALL, WITH OPEN FACE BEHOLDING AS IN A GLASS THE GLORY
OF THE LORD, ARE CHANGED INTO THE SAME IMAGE FROM GLORY TO GLORY, even
as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving
your own selves.
Jam 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like
unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jam 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway
forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jam 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and
continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the
work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from
his own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man
fall after the same example of unbelief.
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than
any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and
spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts
and intents of the heart.
Heb 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his
sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with
whom we have to do.

RESPONSE FROM HENNIE

Subject: Re: Your dream interp
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:00:13 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time)
From: Hennie & Edie Roetz <henedie@bellsouth.net>
To: <daystar48@optusnet.com.au>

Dear Paula,

Thank you so much, and yes, indeed, we have seen this happen in many
churches and yet there is still a desire by a minority who are thirsting
after the Holy Spirit in their lives and congregations. Our pastor is
doing what it takes to encourage others to thirst after God and do what
is right. We are blessed to be a part of what God is doing in the church
we attend.

Once again, thank you and be blessed, the interpretation was not only an
encouragement, but confirmation in many areas.

In Christ

J.H.Roetz & E.S.Roetz
In Side Out Restoration & Development Center
12765 New Providence Road
Alpharetta, GA. 30004
770 475 9197
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IN MY OPINION I THINK THESE THREE DREAMS SHOW THE AGGRESSIVE PROGRESSION
in the spiritual realm of these "wild cats". Personally I use these
three dreams in intercession asking for protection from these "cats". In
my opinion, in the early nineties they were laying, mid nineties they
were pacing, and now they are rushing and attacking. From Susan Cox
submitted on 21 Oct. 2004.

Subject: Re: D&V List No.1020
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 13:47:50 EDT
From: CPCSCCJLC@aol.com
To: daystar48@optusnet.com.au

Hi Paula:

I am writing with reference to the dream by Dee Dee on D and V list 1020
and I am referring to the second dream that I will refer to as the
" Safari Dream."

I am going to address my opinion of what I feel I have observed about
the progressive aggressive nature of the "wild cats".

My husband Chuck and I have "seen" wild cats in dreams throughout the
nineties. I believe that, in my opinion, the nature of aggressiveness
is definitely getting worse. This is shown, of course, in Dee Dee's
dream where the lion was at first laying passively and then the leopard
was aggressive and attacking.

I will try to briefly summarize the three dreams Chuck and I had. The
first dream I had (actually I had it more than once) was in the early
nineties. It was very similar to the first part of Dee Dee's "Safari
dream". I was walking on a path and over to the side were some docile
lions and I walked quietly and quickly past them with safety.

In the next dream that Chuck had (probably mid nineties) Chuck and I
were ministering in a church on a stage and I saw a large leopard pacing
outside a large window. I alerted Chuck and he took authority over it
and it left.

About six months ago Chuck had another dream in which he was sitting at
a table in a meeting with some people. All of a sudden some wild cats
came by rushing and aggressive. He then said something to the other
people and they said they did not see them! He then said "I'm getting
out of here before these cats attack me" and he left. He also saw cages
behind bushes near the table with wild animals in them; they looked kind
of hidden.

In my opinion I think these three dreams show the aggressive progression
in the spiritual realm of these "wild cats". Personally I use these
three dreams in intercession asking for protection from these "cats". In
my opinion, in the early nineties they were laying, mid nineties they
were pacing, and now they are rushing and attacking.

Hope this finds you all doing well.
Sincerely,
Susan Cox (chuck , susan and jamie cox)
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