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Ministry for Prophecy, Dreams and VisionsD&V List No.1026
1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of
God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Date: Saturday 06 November 2004
Topic: The New End Time Church Order needs the foundation of the Old Order
Contents:
* If the dream addressed the new and old church orders, then it is saying that
the foundation of the new order, with regards to the ministry of the Holy
Spirit (pool), is in need of cleansing and renovation. In fact, the new order
needed to employ the foundation that was of the old order, which has been
soiled and buried in apostasy. Dream by Kathryn on 24 Oct. 2004 and interpretations
by Paula Cavu and Kathryn.
* The big parking metal warehouse (strong house of deception) with the big dog (principality) stationed at the entrance could be a portrayal of a major deception that folks are entering into. The dream is saying that many that are bathed in the light of the Son of God (sunshine on the beach) will be overtaken by this major deception. Dream by Sherry submitted on 28 Oct. 2004 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
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IF THE DREAM ADDRESSED THE NEW AND OLD CHURCH ORDERS, THEN IT IS SAYING THAT the foundation of the new order, with regards to the ministry of the Holy Spirit (pool), is in need of cleansing and renovation. In fact, the new order needed to employ the foundation that was of the old order, which has been soiled and buried in apostasy. Dream by Kathryn on 24 Oct. 2004 and interpretations by Paula Cavu and Kathryn.
From: Katbip4@aol.com
To: daystar48@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2004 8:38 AM
I had this dream on Oct.24th
There was a swimming pool in my backyard where I grew up. In the dream my entire family was there and everyone was younger. The pool had recently been filled and everyone wanting to go swimming. The water was very clear. As I looked I seen that the sides of the liner hadn't been cleaned and on the bottom of the pool , here and there, was little bits of debris and rock. I seen also a snail attached to the bottom. I was telling my dad( who was young in the dream) and others that were swimming, we need to remove the debris.
I was showing them how and said look, I took my foot and loosed the snail
that had a sucking hold on the bottom of the pool liner. I then began scooping
up the rocks and throwing them out. I noticed then on the bottom , under the
liner, was a spot where there were rocks protruding. The foundation for the
pool hadn't been smoothed. As I was explaining and showing how to remove the
debris, I told them the importance
of removing rock and so forth from the foundation, before putting in the liner
and water. Because what will happen is a tear would occur in the liner and
cause loss of water and then they would have to empty the pool and rebuild
the foundation , then put in the liner then the water. I noticed also hard
calcium deposits that had built up on the sides of the pool walls. I had a
scrubbing sponge in my hand. I was telling them you have to remove this from
the walls.
Some didn't care how the pool was as long as they could swim and have fun. Their thought on the matter was if we started removing the calcium it would cause the water to turn milky. I continued explaining, how to remove the calcium from the sides of the walls with the scrub and with certain chemicals put in the pool and the filtration system it would remove it all. In all my explaining I was trying to show them the `why' it is a necessary thing to do. That it would make for a strong pool and how it would be pure and clean water.
I then seen water being poured into the pool from the house, continuing to fill the pool up. It was getting so high that the filter would be unable to do it's job and that is to keep the water pure and clean. This concerned me as I seen the skimmer not being able to do its job and the pool would not be able to hold the water and eventually collapse.
I was then at a neighbors house in their backyard. They had an inground pool.
I seen this
simultaneously, the water was brown and they had filled and covered the pool
with dirt that had grass ontop. The children of this family had grown and quit
swimming so the parents just covered it up with this. The pool itself was old
but the foundation and liner was in great condition. I was talking with my
friend who lived there that all we'd have to do is have one of those big backhoe
cranes come and remove the dirt. Then because the pool had been built so strong,
it would stay intact, it could be lifted up and placed in the yard where everyone
was wanting to swim. There would then be a strong foundation and a pool that
was able to hold the water( and not fall like the other was going to do, because
of a lack of building properly.. which is to be in this order.. smooth, firm,
solid foundation, liner, then water). I awoke
** In this dream much depends on the circumstances, such as what you have been praying for, that led to it. The dream could apply to several situations that involve two camps. This could be two church ministries or two church movements.
If the dream addressed the new and old church orders, then it is saying that the foundation of the new order, with regards to the ministry of the Holy Spirit (pool), is in need of cleansing and renovation. In fact, the new order needed to employ the foundation that was of the old order, which has been soiled and buried in apostasy.
1Co 3:9 For we are laborers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye
are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder,
I have LAID THE FOUNDATION, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man
take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus
Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare
it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's
work of what sort it is.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving THE PRINCIPLES OF THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST, let us
go on unto perfection; not laying again THE FOUNDATION OF repentance from dead
works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection
of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.
RESPONSE FROM KATHRYN
The dream I believe represents the church. The old order and the new order,
as in the past some dreams and which you have posted were about the old order
having a firm foundation. But the Spirit of God was prohibited in the teaching
and the ministering of the saints and many false teaching , doctrines of men
and of demons were( and are) prevalent. The new order, although the waters
of the Spirit of God are flowing, is need of repairing, restoring the foundations
of which is building upon. Matt.22:29,` Jesus answered and said unto them,
ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.' So I believe
this was a showing of knowing the power of God( the Spirit of God) but erring
in the scriptures,( foundational things).
As is the other dream I sent you, of the teacher etc., I believe He is showing
a reconstruction on the church cleansing, repentance, which is foundational
doctrine. But He went on to show, restoration and renewing.
Those are my thoughts on it, thanks so much, Kathryn
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THE BIG PARKING METAL WAREHOUSE (STRONG HOUSE OF DECEPTION) WITH THE BIG DOG (principality) stationed at the entrance could be a portrayal of a major deception that folks are entering into. The dream is saying that many that are bathed in the light of the Son of God (sunshine on the beach) will be overtaken by this major deception. Dream by Sherry submitted on 28 Oct. 2004 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
From: SunShineSherryK@aol.com
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:36:54 EDT
Dear Paula,
Here is a dream I had a few nights ago. The last interpretations were right
on! Thank You for being obedient to the HEAVENLY FATHER!
I was driving a white truck into a big parking warehouse. I had my two pet
dogs in the back of the truck,( max and maggie ). As I got out I had to grab
them and hold them because of another BIG dog by the entrance of the huge
parking metal building.
As I was walking I could see my Brother Buckey lying on a sheet on Pensacola Beach it was a beautiful sunny day and the water was beautiful ( gulf ). He was sun bathing in the sun and I was wanting to get a little tan. I did not have on a bathing suit just a pair of shorts and a shirt. (I remember that was a focus to me for some reason.) I knew we had to leave at a certain time, everyone had to leave the beach.
It seem like no time everything turned dark, like a big shadow was blocking
the sun from us! As I looked it was a building, like where I parked the truck,
over us because it was time to leave the beach. So I was gathering all my staff
to leave! It was still light outside when this building was placed on all the
people at the beach. Everyone knew it was time to go!
** The big parking metal warehouse (strong house of deception) with the big
dog (principality) stationed at the entrance could be a portrayal of a major
deception that folks are entering into.
Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
The dream is saying that many that are bathed in the light of the Son of God (sunshine on the beach) will be overtaken by this major deception (It seem like no time everything turned dark, like a big shadow was blocking the sun from us... It was still light outside when this building was placed on all the people at the beach). Since the D&V List has been proclaiming end time events of late the following scripture may be a companion to the dream.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the
son of perdition;
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RESPONSES TO D&V LIST NO.1025 ON THE USA ELECTIONS
From: HisBlood
To: daystar48@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: D&V List No.1025
Praise God Pastor Paula, I believe that is exactly what happened as you said
here!!
(That is, John Kerry was meant to win but the incomparable fervent intercession
and mobilization of Christians in America moved the hand of God.) Praise God
His Intercessors rose to the call of duty!!! Even our youngest son not understanding
the vote system, when he saw that Bush needed one more vote said if I lived
in America I would go and vote so he could win, our boys were praying too,
PTL! I am Canadian, but I prayer for America and other nations because as Jim
Goll said in his book Prophetic Intercession "Intercession brings God's
Justice."
And "The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much."
Bless you all for your effect in ministry!
Love
Carolyn
From: Blye Versekering
To: Paula M Cavu
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 2004 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: D&V List No.1025
NO!!! NO!!! NO!!!
My Dear brother, please do not apologise. What happened to Jonah!!! So was
Jonah
wrong?? No he was right but God's grace was so great when people started
praying.
Dreams are given to warn us and instruct us, otherwise it has no value.
Job 33
15 In a dream, in a vision of the night, when deep sleep falleth upon men,
in slumberings
upon the bed;
16 Then he openeth the ears of men, and sealeth their instruction,
17 That he may withdraw man from his purpose, and hide pride from man.
18 He keepeth back his soul from the pit, and his life from perishing by the
sword.
So now we prayed fervently and God intervened and they think you were false.
I PRAISE
GOD He has answered our prayers!!!
Dan 2v21 And he changeth the times and the seasons: he removeth kings, and
setteth
up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know
understanding:
22 He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness,
and
the light dwelleth with him.
Lente Nagel
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