Daystar Ministry for Prophecy, Dreams and VisionsD&V List No.1093
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Date: Tuesday 28 June 2005
Topic: Heavenly perspective of the ‘doctrine of self-esteem’ and prophetic babble
Contents:
** I wonder whether you received this dream (received on June 24) after reading and pondering on the ‘doctrine of self-esteem’ in D&V List No.1091 (sent on June 21). If so then it is clear conclusive confirmation that the doctrine is of the unfruitful works of darkness relative to the Light of the Gospel of Christ. Dream by Pastor Hennie Roetz on 24 June 2005 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
** The dream could be showing how such openness and inclusiveness have not been constructive because of undiscerning people who have taken advantage of them for their own irresponsible and unrestrained prophetic expression. Dream by Erin Bradley on 23 June 2005 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
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I wonder whether you received this dream (received on June 24) after reading and pondering on the ‘doctrine of self-esteem’ in D&V List No.1091 (sent on June 21). If so then it is clear conclusive confirmation that the doctrine is of the unfruitful works of darkness relative to the Light of the Gospel of Christ. Dream by Pastor Hennie Roetz on 24 June 2005 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
From: Hennie & Edie Roetz
To: Paula (Daystar) Cavu
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 9:39 PM
Good Morning Pastor Paula,
As always, good to read what God is showing others in the D&V list. I do have a dream and even though my wife and I know the significance thereof, always good to bounce it off someone we can trust to be objective and discerning in the interpretation.
Dream: Pastor Hennie Roetz, June 24th.2005
My wife and I were standing around a Pastor and several other people close to him, at the pulpit. He was talking and whilst he did, my wife and I noticed that anyone could see, almost as if through a window, to the room below. One of the things that was very glaring, was that the Pastor had a loaded revolver (pistol) laying on top of his pulpit.
** The pastor’s loaded pistol accompanying him on the pulpit portrayed an Old Church Order type of minister that hates detractors.
As we looked below, we noticed that directly beneath the upstairs pulpit, was another and someone was speaking from that pulpit, even though we could not see the face. What struck us as odd at the time, on the left of the pulpit below and on the ground were 5 dark colored glass bottles and in the centre a single candle burning. My wife and I immediately felt that there was something serious amiss and tried to draw the Pastors attention to what we were seeing. In pointing at him to get his attention, he just looked at us and indicated that we should stop interrupting, and he pointed to the loaded pistol on his pulpit, not with his hands, but his eyes as not to draw attention to the fact that it was there.
** Not only does the Old Church Order pastor hate detractors, he is also hiding abominable activities or unfruitful works of darkness (5 dark colored glass bottles and in the centre a single candle burning) as revealed in the corresponding room below (in the realm of the spirit).
Eph 5:11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
Eph 5:13 But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15 See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16 Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17 Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the Lord is.
My wife and I decided that what was going on, need to be addressed and we walked out the church, to the room directly below, and confronted the person at that pulpit, as to the significance of those bottles and our concern that it may be a ritual that has other than Godly purposes. They laughed at us and told us that we read too much into everything and that that is just the way they put the bottles. We however felt strongly that something was not well.
** Hennie, I wonder whether you received this dream (received on June 24) after reading and pondering on the ‘doctrine of self-esteem’ in D&V List No.1091 (sent on June 21). If so then it is clear conclusive confirmation that the doctrine is of the unfruitful works of darkness relative to the Light of the Gospel of Christ. The following scripture describes somewhat, a biblical parallel to your dream and the interpretation.
Eze 8:3 And he put forth the form of a hand, and took me by a lock of mine head; and the spirit lifted me up between the earth and the heaven, and brought me in the visions of God to Jerusalem, to the door of the inner gate that looketh toward the north; where was the seat of the image of jealousy, which provoketh to jealousy.
Eze 8:4 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel was there, according to the vision that I saw in the plain.
Eze 8:5 Then said he unto me, Son of man, lift up thine eyes now the way toward the north. So I lifted up mine eyes the way toward the north, and behold northward at the gate of the altar this image of jealousy in the entry.
Eze 8:6 He said furthermore unto me, Son of man, seest thou what they do? even the great abominations that the house of Israel committeth here, that I should go far off from my sanctuary? but turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations.
Eze 8:7 And he brought me to the door of the court; and when I looked, behold a hole in the wall.
Eze 8:8 Then said he unto me, Son of man, dig now in the wall: and when I had digged in the wall, behold a door.
Eze 8:9 And he said unto me, Go in, and behold the wicked abominations that they do here.
Eze 8:10 So I went in and saw; and behold every form of creeping things, and abominable beasts, and all the idols of the house of Israel, portrayed upon the wall round about.
Eze 8:11 And there stood before them seventy men of the ancients of the house of Israel, and in the midst of them stood Jaazaniah the son of Shaphan, with every man his censer in his hand; and a thick cloud of incense went up.
Eze 8:12 Then said he unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen what the ancients of the house of Israel do in the dark, every man in the chambers of his imagery? for they say, The LORD seeth us not; the LORD hath forsaken the earth.
We were both then taken to another room, and together with some other folk who Home-schooled their children and others we did not know, were placed in a room and the doors were closed. We asked what the significance of this was, and was told that there was no more place where the others had gone to and that this room was going to explode in a nuclear reaction.
** Those who home-school are blatant detractors to the course of this world that also embody the ‘doctrine of self-esteem.’ In this dream they therefore represent non-conforming Christians who are directly taught and led of the Spirit of Truth. For this reason they are persecuted by adherents to the course of this world, that includes shepherds of the Old Church Order.
Joh 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
Joh 10:12 But he that is a hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
Joh 10:13 The hireling fleeth, because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
** Shepherds of the New End Time Church Order (NETCO) understand that only God Himself can teach and lead His people to the fulfillment of His plan and purpose for creation. Accordingly they teach and lead believers to be directly and credibly taught and led of the Spirit as Jesus instructed.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you.
1Jo 2:26 These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
1Jo 2:28 And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming.
We sat down, and immediately we were told we are not allowed to sit at the front as these were reserved seats and we were not that important to think we can sit up front. My wife and I walked away and started crouching beneath some broken wooden boards, with nails in them and the nails pierced our skin. As we lay there we asked God how long it would take and also spoke with Him about our love for Him and our assurance of salvation. We knew the inevitable was going to happen, we just did not know when, and had to continue laying there, waiting.
** With regards to persecution at the hands of the Old Church Order that agrees with this world, as it was with the Master, so it is with his servants!
Amo 3:3 Can two walk together, except they be agreed?
Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins
Eph 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, THE SPIRIT THAT NOW WORKETH IN THE CHILDREN OF DISOBEDIENCE:
1Pe 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
1Pe 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1Pe 3:16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.
1Pe 3:17 For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
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The dream could be showing how such openness and inclusiveness have not been constructive because of undiscerning people who have taken advantage of them for their own irresponsible and unrestrained prophetic expression. Dream by Erin Bradley on 23 June 2005 and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
From: "Andrew & Erin Bradley" <andrewerin@woosh.co.nz>
Subject: Dream to be interpreted
Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 15:20:49 +1200
17 June 2005
Had a dream that we moved to a bigger house and the minute we moved in there was a hive of activity. I remember Pete (one of our elders) coming in with an electrician or some kind of tradesman setting something up in our bedroom. It was office equipment for the church. Sarah (brings prophetic words in church) came in and was using this machine with a specialised programme, which printed out heaps of stuff for the church. She went out at one point and I went over to look at this machine and moved something slightly, which stopped the machine completely. When she came back in I told her and said that I didn’t think that what I did had affected anything, but apparently it did and she had to start what she was doing all over again.
Later on I was lying in my bed and Erica (very anointed worship leader) was in next to me; but we couldn’t sleep because of all the activity. Heaps of people were coming and going constantly making huge messes all over the house, using up everything and trying to make things to eat with unusual ingredients, but when they tried them they were not edible. At one point I tried to help out, but there was just too much going on. So I yelled ENOUGH at the top of my voice. You can all go. This is my house. They began to pack up everything with them and go.
I remember that they left behind this huge briefcase in our bedroom and when I opened it up it had stacks of blank photocopy paper and more equipment. The briefcase belonged to us but all the stuff inside was theirs. I couldn’t believe how much fitted in this thing! I went into the kitchen and they had practically cleared out all the cupboards of food and cleaning equipment – there was nothing much left, except for a container with little seeds that looked like they were trying to sprout. I was about to throw them out, but I realised that they might be my youngest daughter’s and a special project she was working on. Even though they had cleaned us out, it was such a relief when they had gone!
** It could be that this dream is addressing a trying situation in your local church. Moving to a bigger house may be portraying progress in openness and inclusiveness in the ministry of the prophetic (Sarah) and music (Erica) in the church that you are involved with (in bed with Erica). The dream could be showing how such openness and inclusiveness have not been constructive because of undiscerning people who have taken advantage of them for their own irresponsible and unrestrained prophetic expression (machine churning out printed stuff for the church). These take the name of the Lord in vain by attributing to God whatever they choose to make them feel special. However, in being ‘clouds without water,’ such prophetic babble only leads to dissatisfaction, disrepute and shame.
Exo 20:7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
Vain prophetic expressions are copies of the prophecy of others (photocopy papers) that are ‘inedible.’ Despite assistance, the vanity and irresponsibility continues. The dream is saying that the cause of this restless, unproductive and overwhelming situation needs to be stopped! (So I yelled ENOUGH at the top of my voice. You can all go. This is my house. They began to pack up everything with them and go)
It could be that you were reflecting God’s own perspective as described in the following companion scripture.
Jer 23:1 Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jer 23:2 Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel against the pastors that feed my people; Ye have scattered my flock, and driven them away, and have not visited them: behold, I will visit upon you the evil of your doings, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:3 And I will gather the remnant of my flock out of all countries whither I have driven them, and will bring them again to their folds; and they shall be fruitful and increase.
Jer 23:4 And I will set up shepherds over them which shall feed them: and they shall fear no more, nor be dismayed, neither shall they be lacking, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
Jer 23:7 Therefore, behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that they shall no more say, The LORD liveth, which brought up the children of Israel out of the land of Egypt;
Jer 23:8 But, The LORD liveth, which brought up and which led the seed of the house of Israel out of the north country, and from all countries whither I had driven them; and they shall dwell in their own land.
Jer 23:9 Mine heart within me is broken because of the prophets; all my bones shake; I am like a drunken man, and like a man whom wine hath overcome, because of the LORD, and because of the words of his holiness.
Jer 23:10 For the land is full of adulterers; for because of swearing the land mourneth; the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up, and their course is evil, and their force is not right.
Jer 23:11 For both prophet and priest are profane; yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:12 Wherefore their way shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness: they shall be driven on, and fall therein: for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the LORD.
Jer 23:13 And I have seen folly in the prophets of Samaria; they prophesied in Baal, and caused my people Israel to err.
Jer 23:14 I have seen also in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing: they commit adultery, and walk in lies: they strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness: they are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.
Jer 23:15 Therefore thus saith the LORD of hosts concerning the prophets; Behold, I will feed them with wormwood, and make them drink the water of gall: for from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness gone forth into all the land.
Jer 23:16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
Jer 23:17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.
Jer 23:18 For who hath stood in the counsel of the LORD, and hath perceived and heard his word? who hath marked his word, and heard it?
Jer 23:19 Behold, a whirlwind of the LORD is gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind: it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.
Jer 23:20 The anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have executed, and till he have performed the thoughts of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it perfectly.
Jer 23:21 I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran: I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied.
Jer 23:22 But if they had stood in my counsel, and had caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
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