D&V List No.502

Date: Wednesday 15th November, 2000

Topic: USA election result, Israel for judgment and the current move of God.

Contents: * In the process of the examination of the votes there will be a reversal of the votes in favor of Gore. This would mean that Bush will be president. Dream by Marty Vandaveer submitted on 13th Nov. 2000 and interpretation by Paula.

* The dream is saying that because of Israel’s spiritual adultery in turning away from her husband (God of Israel) to put her trust and dependency on a rich and powerful nation (man who gave the sapphire ring), it is going into judgment ("you're an unfit mother, you deserve death, we will take away Jericho.") If Jericho in this dream is speaking of God’s power to fight for Israel (Joshua 6) then the immediate future of Israel is not good. Dream by Carolyn Cook submitted on 12th Oct. 2000.

* I can't help but know Paula that some great move of God is on the runway and possibly this very moment gathering great power for take off! Dream by Marty Vandaveer on 11th Nov. 2000 and interpretations by Marty and Paula.

* The "huge, beautiful forest full of enormous oak trees" could represent prominent false ministers given to seducing and deceiving spirits (ewoks). Thus, the dream is warning that in His current cleansing judgment upon Christendom, anyone that still loves the spirit of the world and the things of the world will be given over to deceiving and lying spirits. Dream by Carolyn Cook on 12th Nov. 2000.

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IN THE PROCESS OF THE EXAMINATION OF THE VOTES THERE WILL BE A REVERSAL OF THE VOTES IN FAVOUR OF GORE. This would mean that Bush will be president. Dream by Marty Vandaveer submitted on 13th Nov. 2000 and interpretation by Paula.

Subject: Steep side of mountain Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 11:20:59 -0600 From: "Marty Vandaveer" <marty@martyart.com> Paula, You might find this interesting.......... This dream I had probably two weeks ago and I really can't grasp it all. Although, as I look at it today I'm almost tempted to laugh as it seems to be a parallel to the story now in our headlines about our election! Talk about Mickey Mouse......... We're on the third recount.....will this be a "reversal"? Nothing would surprise me at this time since at least half of the American people seem to be willing to compromise to just about anything! Will they continue until they have their "way"? DREAM My husband and I were driving in Colorado. We were actually driving on the side of a hill that was steep. I was scared because there was no road and there were many large flat rocks in the path. Bob just kept driving with confidence until we came to a point where we could go no further. He easily backed up and was prepared to head back the same direction.

· Marty, as you pointed out this dream is as much a mystery as the present USA election situation. Here is my attempt at an interpretation:

· Being Christians I am going to assume that you and your husband are backing Bush for President. In this case you and your husband may represent the Bush camp when you were driving in Colorado in the dream. The steep side of the hill speaks of the precarious situation that the Bush camp was/is in during the election. Driving where there is no road may speak of the way (road) for victory not being clearly there. Driving with confidence denotes the confidence of the Bush camp during the counting of the votes but being prepared to turn back speaks of an almost acknowledgment of defeat by the Bush camp.

While here, we saw a restaurant. We were in the process of walking to the door as authorities were hauling a black man out and they tossed him to the ground. We inquired as to why they would treat this man in such a way and they said that his credit card was no good. At this, he offered up another card. This time I took it and went into the restaurant. I found a phone and somehow ran this card through and it was accepted. They took the card back to the man and I assume they let him go since his card had been approved. · The above section of the dream may be describing how there is going to be voting irregularity amongst the blacks such that their voting cards were not counted correctly (his credit card was no good). His offering up another credit card may be speaking of a recount of the voting cards. If the blacks generally supported Gore then a recount of their votes will cause the number of votes for Gore to increase.

Now I went back to the telephone and examined it. There seemed to be two telephones. One was lying down and the other stood upright. They were unusual in that they were "Mickey Mouse" phones.

· In this dream the telephones appear to symbolize communication of the cumulative votes of the two candidates for the presidency. There will be a winner (One was lying down and the other stood upright) but this will arise out of a voting fiasco! (they were "Mickey Mouse" phones).

As I was standing there examining the phones, the man’s card approval was "reversed" and it appeared that his credit was not approved. I also noticed that what was served in this restaurant seemed to be mush. Very unappetizing!

· In the process of the examination of the votes there will be a reversal of the votes in favor of Gore. This would mean that Bush will be president.

Thanks for your help. And I would like to ask that you put the U.S.A. in your prayers. No need to tell you of the mighty strongholds that Satan has in this country! ==================================

THE DREAM IS SAYING THAT BECAUSE OF ISRAEL’S SPIRITUAL ADULTERY IN TURNING AWAY FROM HER HUSBAND (God of Israel) to put her trust and dependency on a rich and powerful nation (man who gave the sapphire ring), it is going into judgment ("you're an unfit mother, you deserve death, we will take away Jericho.") If Jericho in this dream is speaking of God’s power to fight for Israel (Joshua 6) then the immediate future of Israel is not good. Dream by Carolyn Cook submitted on 12th Oct. 2000.

From: "Carolyn Cook" <emc@telusplanet.net> Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 21:48:03 -0600

On the night of Yom Kippur ( I follow these Holy days closely), I had been in continual travail over Israel. My husband, boys and I had just finished a 30 day fast of idols in our lives. That particular night I was very heavy and on watch. I sensed bloodshed, fear, etc. That night this is what I dreamt.

I was at a train station with my youngest son Jericho (vulnerable only to God-meaning). I was being accused of murdering my husband. People were standing around whom I didn't know saying, "you're an unfit mother, you deserve death, we will take away Jericho." I especially remember them saying "you're an unfit mother." This was especially upsetting, I argued that I was a good mother, weeping loudly (reminded me of Rachel weeping for her children). Jericho was being taken away from me crying out hysterically, as though I should be able to do something about it.

Next dream, same night. I was in a hotel going to a room with this man ( I didn't know). I knew in the dream I was having an affair. We were walking down the west hall and turning north. I knew my husband and boys were in the room ahead and turned to avoid them. As I walked the other way with this man he gave me a very large ring with a solitary blue sapphire in it. I knew it was five karats, somehow. I marveled at this thing, end.

PAULA’S COMMENT

The two dreams on the same night could be both about the nation of Israel (represented by you) for whom you had been travailing. The dream is saying that because of Israel’s spiritual adultery in turning away from her husband (God of Israel) to put her trust and dependency on a rich and powerful nation (man who gave the sapphire ring), it is going into judgment ("you're an unfit mother, you deserve death, we will take away Jericho.") If Jericho in this dream is speaking of God’s power to fight for Israel (Joshua 6) then the immediate future of Israel is not good. After this dream, for example, the peace talks with the Palestinians faltered badly resulting in many killings and the two countries tottering at the brink of war. ==================================

I CAN'T HELP BUT KNOW PAULA THAT SOME GREAT MOVE OF GOD IS ON THE RUNWAY and possibly this very moment gathering great power for take off! Dream by Marty Vandaveer on 11th Nov. 2000 and interpretations by Marty and Paula.

Subject: super plane Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 18:37:09 -0600 From: "Marty Vandaveer" <marty@martyart.com> I can't help but know Paula that some great move of God is on the runway and possibly this very moment gathering great power for take off! Just thought I'd share the latest with you folks.... It's very exciting! Dream: I was looking at a runway. There I saw the largest plane imaginable. It seemed to have two sets of wings..... one in front and one towards the back. Inside it contained large earth moving equipment. How much I don't know because I didn't see it, I was just aware that it was aboard. I was amazed at its size and doubted that it would be able to take off with such heavy equipment loaded. It seems that I was told that this was the largest plane ever made. Also I was told that it was quite capable of carrying the load and being airborne under its own power. And I watched it take off down the runway.....it did not take it long to soar into the air as I stood by in amazement. end of dream. ***** MARTY’S INSIGHT The spiritual significance of this important dream is that I sense a HUGE move of God that is to be sent through the world. The Holy Spirit will move upon this earth and there should be no doubt as to the source of the power.

PAULA’S COMMENT I believe you are right Marty. Some recent dreams have been portraying this seemingly huge move/work of the Spirit in large constructions of buildings, highways and air strips by big earth moving machinery. Often these have been accompanied by the presence of exquisite musical instruments which suggest that this huge move of God will be accompanied by pure praise, thanksgiving and worship which is in spirit and in Truth. ====================================

THE "HUGE, BEAUTIFUL FOREST FULL OF ENORMOUS OAK TREES" COULD REPRESENT PROMINENT FALSE MINISTERS given to seducing and deceiving spirits (ewoks). Thus, the dream is warning that in His current cleansing judgment upon Christendom, anyone that still loves the spirit of the world and the things of the world will be given over to deceiving and lying spirits. Dream by Carolyn Cook on 12th Nov. 2000.

Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 23:17:00 -0700 From: "Carolyn Cook" <emc@telusplanet.net>

Dear friends, Greetings in Jeshua's mighty Name. Last night I had a very amazing dream. I hope I sent this to the right e-mail.

Dream - My family and I were running up a big mountain. At the top was a one room cubicle type room, we went inside. I looked around on the way into this room and saw golden liquid lava coming up the mountain( the mountain was also smooth) at a rapid rate. Above it were thick boiling black clouds, there was nothing between the lava or clouds. I turned and ran into the cubicle telling Eldon to hurry. He had a box and grabbed his bible and a loomis (a speedy parcel service) package a little larger than his big bible. He said he had to get one more book, but I told him we didn't have time we had to go. It was as though the room was a ship-like get-away pod or something. He kept looking for the book, it was too late, the lava and clouds had reached us. We were suddenly propelled up in the air( almost explosively) and then landed, or sort of crashed.

Luke 17: 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

When we opened the door, we stepped out into a huge, beautiful forest full of enormous oak trees. The trees were sort of shelters and the whole floor area was mossy, rich green. There were little rectangular mobile homes built along the side of these oak trees. People came out and I told them what had just happened to us and that we had lived. There was a crowd of them and they reminded me of little ewoks from Star Wars, they looked human though. I awoke at this point and marveled at the sights I had just seen.

· Marty, little ewoks from Star Wars that looked human don’t sound like the angels of heaven. Rather, they could be portraying demons. In this case the "huge, beautiful forest full of enormous oak trees" could represent prominent false ministers given to seducing and deceiving spirits (ewoks). Thus, the dream is warning that in His current cleansing judgment upon Christendom, anyone that still loves the spirit of the world and the things of the world will be given over to deceiving and lying spirits.

1 Jn.2: 15 Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16 For all that [is] in the world, THE LUST OF THE FLESH, AND THE LUST OF THE EYES, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

2 Thess 2: 9 [Even him], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause GOD SHALL SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE A LIE: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I felt the Lord urging me to remember what I had just dreamt. Unfortunately, I didn't remember all of it, that's why He woke me up and I still didn't remember everything. I don't know when I'll ever learn, write it down or something. The other thing I remembered when I awoke was that Eldon had been looking for a pornography book in the room, but he never found it. The end. ===================================

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