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Ministry for Prophecy, Dreams and VisionsThe Old Order is the Religious Institution but the New Order is the Person of the Lord Jesus Christ
D&V List No.1098 Most significant teaching
Date: Friday 29 July 2005
From: Jim Black
To: Daystar
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 1:23 PM
Hey Paula, I hope this letter finds you blessed. I had
a dream Saturday night, 7-16-05. It seemed odd at first but the more I think
about it the more I felt I should send it to you.
It goes like this:
I was working in my yard, raking up leaves and other debris. I did not like
debris piling up in my yard. I was in a rolling hills landscape area, but it
was difficult to tell for sure because there were trees all around. I had some
neighbors but only one was near by and he was very close. His place was large
and well kept, except for the mountains of dead leaves he appeared to be collecting
that were piled all over. He appeared to have a lot of money, since he had
large acreage and the very latest in lawn and garden equipment suitable for
a large farm. He was not, however, friendly to me. My lot was small and my
house was modest to say the least. It looked like I had built it from scraps
I may have found laying around, but it was weather tight.
** I am interpreting this dream in the background of what the Spirit was/is saying to the churches around the time that you received the dream. Some of these things have been posted on recent D&V Lists.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
** In your house and your neighbor’s house, the dream contrasts two church orders that the D&V List has been speaking about. As the dreamer, you and your house represented the New End Time Church Order (NETCO) while your more established neighbor’s house depicted the Old Church Order which was more established in the things and riches of this world. Your shack, built from scraps laying around, was a portrayal of the temporary booths of the children of Israel for the Feast of Tabernacles as proclaimed in last D&V List No.1097. God’s proclamation and endorsement of the New Church Order over the Old Order are plainly depicted in this dream. For those that have an ear to hear, we are entering into a time of ‘dwelling in booths’ and away from dwelling in institutionalized structures that are of the hands of flesh and blood of this world. That is, ‘dwelling in booths’ is preparation for the time for crossing over into the Promised Land (resurrection/rapture?). (See the article at the end of this dream for further teaching and clarification concerning the two church orders)
** Raking up leaves and other debris from the properties correspond to the normal cleansing of that which is dead by the ministries of the churches. The fallen leaves also pertain to the end time shaking of the heavens and the earth as the prophets vocalize the end time intentions of God from heaven.
Heb 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh.
For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall
not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
Heb 12:26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying,
Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
I began to smell smoke. I walked around looking for the source but was unable to pinpoint it. I went over to the neighbor and asked him about the smoke. He was unconcerned and pointed to his tractors and his fire hose and said he could handle any fire that might come. I, on the other hand, only had a small well which was just able to supply our bathing and drinking needs. Other neighbors began to gather commenting on the smell of smoke in the air and wondering if we needed to get together to fight a fire. My neighbor again commented that he needed no help. The neighbors began to return to their homes to check on their own preparedness.
** The smell of smoke in the air that got the attention of the people portrayed the warnings by the prophets, seers and dreamers of the destruction of the Old Church Order. In only dealing with immaturity and insecurity of spiritual childhood, the Old Order had an inherent destructive nature that could NOT take believers unto the maturity or perfection of Christ.
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as
unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not
able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and
strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
2Pe 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Heb 5:13 For every one that useth milk is unskillfull
in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
Heb 5:14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those
who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
** It was for this reason that the Old Church Order had to be done away with so that a New Order could be raised up. It is the New Church Order that would take people onwards unto the perfection of ‘the measure of the stature o the fullness of Christ’ (Eph 4:13). The Old Testament shadow of this process was the replacing of the Old Order of Moses with the New Order of Joshua before Israel could cross Jordan and enter into the Promised Land. Jesus established ‘the way’ in His death on the Cross and resurrection 3 days later. The fulfillment in the corporate Church on earth so that it entered into the Rest of the Promised Land was left to take place in the times of the end.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, AND THE WAY YE KNOW.
Joh 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how
can we know the way?
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man
cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Mat 16:24 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any
man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and
follow me.
Mat 16:25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will
lose his life for my sake shall find it.
Heb 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Heb 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in
David, Today, after so long a time; as it is said, Today if ye will hear
his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb 4:8 For if Joshua had given them rest, then would he not afterward have
spoken of another day.
Heb 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
Heb 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his
own works, as God did from his.
Heb 4:11 Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall
after the same example of unbelief.
Soon, the smell of smoke was strong, and then I could see billows of smoke on the horizon, and flickering of red and yellow flames in the distance. Then my neighbor and I saw clouds of dust moving towards us. We were eventually able to see what was causing the dust. First, it was large animals running for their lives, right behind them it was the smaller animals, then I saw rats and all manner of vermin all running all out away from the flames, all running towards us then past us. I became concerned then because all of these critters would not be running like this if something very serious had not frightened them. My neighbor was still not concerned. I returned home.
** Animals in dreams often represent the spirits of
the darkness of this world. Thus, the fleeing animals from the fire of destruction
portrayed the result of the shaking of the heavens or the realm of the spirit.
From my yard I looked left and saw huge flames across the whole horizon. I
looked to my right. There was a railroad line in that direction that ran along
side of some of the tall, main power lines that crossed the country. I saw
flashes of light down the tracks and was soon able to see a huge railway engine,
bright, shiny, silver and running very fast. The flashes of light were caused
by the combination of the power lines and the train engine. Somehow they were
connected by a cable that ran from the engine to the power lines. Then the
cable hung over the power lines and touched the ground. Every time the cable
would touch the ground, sparks would fly, and the ground would literally explode
into flames. There were now flames all around me. The fire from my left soon
touched the neighbors piles of leaves, and there was fire everywhere.
** The huge bright, shiny and silver railway engine portrayed a major work of the Spirit in the shaking of the heavens and the earth so that all that which was burnable and dead would fall and be destroyed. The great speed in which the railway engine was running revealed the speed in which this major work of the Spirit will take place. The implication is that many will be caught unawares because they would not listen to the words of the prophets vocalizing Him who is speaking from heaven.
Then the fire was out. I again stood in my yard and looked around. The scene looked like pictures of Mt. Saint Helen’s. Nothing but burnt, blackened, for as far as I could see except for my house. My neighbor’s house was completely gone as was all of my neighbors. The fire had burned right up to the walls of my house but had not touched my house.
** The dream is revealing how the time of delineation and division has come and only that which is of the kingdom of God in the New Church Order will remain. The following scripture biblically equates the end time shaking of the heavens and the earth with the consuming fire of the dream.
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the
removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that
those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have
grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Heb 12:29 FOR OUR GOD IS A CONSUMING FIRE.
Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and
under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow
that flieth by day;
Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; NOR FOR THE DESTRUCTION
THAT WASTETH AT NOONDAY.
Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand;
but it shall not come nigh thee.
Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most
High, thy habitation;
Psa 91:10 THERE SHALL NO EVIL BEFALL THEE, NEITHER SHALL ANY PLAGUE COME NIGH
THY DWELLING.
I could clearly see that my house was in fact built on the highest hill around. Closer inspection revealed that my house was built on a large solid rock.
** Because you were in the will and purpose of God your booth was, in fact, built on the highest hill around that pertained to Mount Zion and Heavenly Jerusalem of the New End Time Church Order (NETCO). It was built on the rock of direct fellowship and communion with God in the Promised Land where Jesus is building His Church.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed
art thou, Simon Bar-jona: FOR FLESH AND BLOOD HATH NOT REVEALED IT UNTO THEE,
BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and UPON THIS ROCK
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Zion, and unto
the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable
company of angels,
Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written
in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made
perfect,
The roof of my house was gone. There was a large hole in my wall where the entry way had been that went straight through the house with an equally large hole in the opposite wall where the door had been. I noticed a pool of clear water that was now in this "Hallway".
** No roof over the house is symbolic of openness to
direct communion with heaven (NETCO). The openness of where the doors were,
is symbolic of Jesus Christ as the Door to the Kingdom of God which is wide
open for whosoever will that may desire to enter. We therefore expect that
many will be saved and enter into the Kingdom of God in the days of the shaking
of the heavens and the earth. Again recent dreams on the D&V List concur
with this word.
We were without electricity, which meant we were also without water since the
well pump had been our only source of water.
** All that which is of the hands of flesh and blood (electricity and pump) will be removed so that only that which is of the creative power of Jesus Christ will remain.
I saw some of my neighbors walking towards me. They were all in the same predicament. The only water we had was the small pool in what used to be my hall/entry way. I said "we" now because I had a family with me now that I did not see before. We bottled up the pool water and handed it out. I became concerned that the pool would dry up and went to inspect the pool.
** The pool of the ‘water of life’ available to the New Church Order will remain and around it families will be restored.
Joh 4:13 Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever
drinketh of this water shall thirst again:
Joh 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never
thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water
springing up into everlasting life.
Joh 4:15 The woman saith unto him, Sir, give me this water, that I thirst not,
neither come hither to draw.
Joh 4:16 Jesus saith unto her, Go, call thy husband, and come hither.
I noticed a ramp like descent leading down into the pool and walked down the ramp into a cave. This was a huge cave cut out of the rock. I was immediately relieved to see that we had a place to place our bedding, to keep our beds safe, secure, and dry. I sent my sons to gather our belongings and move them into the cave.
** The huge cave in the Rock with a place for bedding portrayed that inward secret place of intimate fellowship and communion with God that folks of NETCO are somewhat familiar with.
Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in THE SECRET PLACE OF THE
MOST HIGH shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
Psa 91:2 I will say of THE LORD, HE IS MY REFUGE AND MY FORTRESS: my God; in
him will I trust.
I continued down the ramp. At the end of the ramp I was amazed, dumfounded,
shocked even, to see that beneath this rock, in fact, contained within this
mountain of a rock, was a clear, cool, clean, refreshing lake. I could not
see the far shores of this lake, even though there seemed to be plenty of light
inside this cave. This is where I woke up.
** This dream scenario holds great and glorious promise of an abundant availability of the Spirit, which will be without measure as it was available to Jesus Himself. The result will be the great end time harvest of a people of God from the earth.
Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth
on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and GREATER WORKS THAN THESE
SHALL HE DO; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the
Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Joh 7:37 In the last day, that great day of the feast,
Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and
drink.
Joh 7:38 He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly
shall flow rivers of living water.
Joh 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should
receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet
glorified.)
It took me several days to realize that the "Rock" was Christ Jesus, and the "Lake" was the Holy Spirit. The "Train" could represent a major move of the Holy Spirit and the Fire could represent the cleansing of the Holy Spirit. THEN AGAIN, THIS MAY JUST BE ANOTHER PIZZA DREAM. It is the chance that it is a message from the Lord that I am sending this to you. Let me know what you receive from the Lord on this matter if you would please.
** A PIZZA DREAM? YER GOTTA BE KIDDING! ?
FURTHER INSIGHT INTO THE OLD AND NEW CHURCH ORDERS
Title: The Old Order is the Religious Institution but the New Order is the
Person of the Lord Jesus Christ
Insights into the Old and New Church Orders reveal the predominance in the Old Order of church as an institution or organization. In the Old Order, the church is built with flesh and blood hands as it pertains to the things of this world. The physical building, organization structure, constitution, programs, written and unwritten rules and regulations are the works of human beings. Historically, the Old Church Order has provided a home for new and young Christians whose spiritual journey may be likened to the journey of the children of Israel through the wilderness with the intention of ultimately crossing Jordan into the Promised Land. However, crossing over Jordan into the perfection of the Promised Land required special ordination from God in His own time.
Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine
of Christ, LET US GO ON UNTO PERFECTION; not laying again the foundation
of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection
of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Heb 6:3 And this will we do, IF GOD PERMIT.
I believe that the period in which God’s permission was given for the Church to enter into the Promised Land of intimate fellowship and communion with God, is the period of the onset of the New End Time Church Order (NETCO). Addressing this period of time has been the work of the ministry of Daystar and the D&V List which goes out to most countries of the world through the Internet. If we have begun to cross Jordan and have begun to enter into the Promised Land of perfection or maturity unto ‘the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ’ (Eph 4:13), then the man-made structure of the Old Church Order is being disposed of at the expense of the New Order. If the old was made of the hands of flesh and blood, then the new is being built of the Lord without the hands of human beings.
Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I
am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of
the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona:
FOR FLESH AND BLOOD HATH NOT REVEALED IT UNTO THEE, BUT MY FATHER WHICH IS
IN HEAVEN.
Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, AND UPON THIS ROCK
I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Mat 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever
thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jer 23:22 BUT IF THEY HAD STOOD IN MY COUNSEL, AND HAD CAUSED MY PEOPLE TO HEAR MY WORDS, then they should have turned them from their evil way, and from the evil of their doings.
Eze 34:11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; BEHOLD, I, EVEN
I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
Eze 34:12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his
sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them
out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Eze 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the
countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains
of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
Eze 34:14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of
Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat
pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
Eze 34:15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the
Lord GOD.
Eze 34:16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven
away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which
was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with
judgment.
The Old Order pertained to the visible institution or temple made with hands whereas the New Order pertained to that which is inward and invisible. In fact, the old focused on the Church as an institution but the new focused on the Church as the person of the Lord Jesus Christ. The former pertained to Mount Zion of the wilderness where the Law with its constitution, civil laws, ceremonial laws and religious programs were given to Moses. They were clearly ‘manna’ which was for this world where sin dwelt but the true and eternal ‘manna from heaven’ came through Jesus Christ and was proclaimed in ‘The Sermon on the Mount’ of Matthew chapter 5. The former pertained to the institution, whether it be of Judaism in the time of Jesus or of Christianity throughout Church history, but the latter pertained to the person of the Lord Jesus Christ.
Joh 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign showest
thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
Joh 6:31 Our fathers did eat manna in the desert; as it is written, He gave
them bread from heaven to eat.
Joh 6:32 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave
you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from
heaven.
Joh 6:33 For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth
life unto the world.
If the eyes of your understanding have been divinely enlightened, then you will understand that the church as an institution cannot take believers unto the perfection of the Promised Land. In fact, the destruction of the Old Order as revealed in the dreams of Christians around the world since the onset of the 1990’s and the new millennium, taught that the glory (Spirit) of God was exiting the Old Order in order to establish the New. In Jim Black’s dream above, the train that caused the fire portrayed a major work of God for the destruction or cleansing of the Old Order so that the New Order would be revealed, endorsed and established as being of ‘the Rock’ and of the source of ‘living waters.’
Joh 2:18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What
sign showest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?
Joh 2:19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three
days I will raise it up.
Joh 2:20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building,
and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
Joh 2:21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
In the New Order, it is in and from the person and not in and from the religious institutional organization where the glory of God or work of the Spirit will be seen. The prototype temple made without hands, is the flesh and blood body of the believer that will be superceded by that which is being prepared in heaven.
2Co 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house NOT MADE WITH HANDS, eternal in the heavens.
Until then, the corporate Temple of God on earth is made up of all Christian believers in every country of the world and it is unto these people that all ministries will be primarily directed in the New Church Order. That is, the attention of all ministries will not be upon a religious institution but upon the people of the Body of Christ. Any New Order church structure on earth will only be temporary booths that cannot take away from the person of the Lord Jesus Christ as Head of the corporate Body of Christ and spirit of each believer.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or
in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath
days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and
worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly
puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands
having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase
of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and
doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility,
and neglecting of the body; not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.
Yes, the onset of the New Church Order is going to be revolutionary so shed your rigid old wine skin now so that you may have the new soft wineskin to contain the new! The Promised Land and ‘hope of glory’ is within every believer born of God and unto this shall all the work of the ministries function.
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets;
and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for
the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of
the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the
fullness of Christ:
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages
and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this
mystery among the Gentiles; which is CHRIST IN YOU, THE HOPE OF GLORY:
Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand,
but the goats on the left.
Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed
of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the
world:
Mat 25:35 For I was hungry, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave
me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in
prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee
hungry, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed
thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, VERILY I SAY UNTO YOU,
INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN, YE
HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME.
Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me,
ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was hungry, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave
me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me
not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungry,
or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister
unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch
as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
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Australia
Author: Pastor Paula M. Cavu
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