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Ministry for Prophecy, Dreams and VisionsD&V List No.1292b
Date: Saturday 17 May, 2008
Topic: Doctrine of the Sabbath
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Looks like your relentless crusade regarding worshipping on Saturday or Sabbath is still current. It is again reflected in this dream that I am interested in since we have had some fellowship and you are reading my books. May I say that I believe that there is nothing wrong with a community worshipping God on a Saturday; neither is anything wrong with worshipping on a Sunday or any day for that matter under the New Testament Covenant. Dream by Pastor R and interpretation by Paula Cavu.
From: Ps R
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 8:37 PM
DREAM ON 07 OCTOBER 2006
The morning of 7 October 2006 about 4:30 I woke up and went into the prayer room and picked up my Bible which was open at Exodus 12:13-14.
I started mediating on those verses.
I then lay down on the floor and started praying. A little after 6:00 am my wife came into the room. We talked about the white wall covered with fresh blood. Then I started praying again while she read the Bible.
I woke up and realize that I had gone to sleep while praying. I had a dream.
In this dream a group of people were in a waiting room like at a bus station or train station. If I remember correctly we were painting the walls. The day in the dream was a Saturday.
I said “I am going to church.” They all looked at me and said it is Saturday.
I said “I don’t care, Saturday is the Sabbath. Look at the calendar. Sabbath means seventh.”
I went over to one corner of that place and started singing Glory, Glory
HALLELUJAH, Glory, Glory HALLELUJAH, Praise GOD, Praise GOD.
My wife came over there and started singing with me and then I noticed
Deacon G Mrs. W and other people came over and started having church.
Then I woke up.
** Perhaps your crusade with regards to the seventh day or Sabbath for worship is manifesting in many of your dreams. Your subjectivity was evident in the phrase: picked up my Bible which was open at Exodus 12:13-14. These are two verses in two whole pages of many verses in your opened bible. Clearly you just wanted to highlight these particular verses for your purpose regarding the Sabbath/Saturday.
For the purpose of objectivity I refer to the bible commentary by Gill on Exodus 12:14 (from e-Sword)
Exo 12:14 - And this shall be unto you for a memorial,.... To be remembered, and that very deservedly, for the destruction of the firstborn of the Egyptians, and for the deliverance of the children of Israel out of Egypt, and as memorable a day it is, and much more so, for the redemption of the spiritual Israel by the Messiah; for it was on this selfsame day that he suffered for the redemption and salvation of his people: the Jews not only having a saying,"that in the month Nisan they were redeemed, and in the month Nisan they will be redeemed (g)''but they expressly say,"on the same day, THE FIFTEENTH OF NISAN, Israel is to be redeemed, in the days of the Messiah, as they were redeemed on that day, as it is said, according to the days, &c. Mic_7:15 (h):"
and you shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; as THE FIFTEENTH DAY was properly the Chagigah; or festival day, when they made a feast both of the flock and of the herd, of both sheep and oxen, Deu_16:2.
you shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever; unto the end of the Jewish economy and church state, until the Messiah come, the true passover, and be sacrificed for us.
(g) Roshhashanah, fol. 11. 1. 2. (h) Cabalistae apud Fagium in loc.
Dreams often reflect from our subconscious the things we are passionate about, worry about or things that occupy our minds. These are natural dreams even though they may have religious connotations or religious symbolism. As such it makes it difficult at times to differentiate them from divinely inspired dreams that have appropriate religious symbolism and appropriate flow of events.
If you have a humble and teachable heart that desires only truth and not given to religious legalism, then you may be interested in my own personal bible commentary on the Sabbath from Deu 5:14.
THE SABBATH OF THE LORD IS THE REST OF GOD IN THE KINGDOM OF GOD IN THE NEW HEAVEN AND EARTH
Deu_5:14 in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
The Sabbath of the Lord thy God is shadow of the Rest of God Heb_4:1-11; Gen_2:1-3 for all creation in the new heaven and new earth Col_2:16-17; Rom_8:18-25; Rev_21:1-5
Deu_5:14 is revealing that the Sabbath of the Lord thy God pertains to the new order of life in the new earth and new heaven where the will of God is done; a life where no man nor animal would need to work for the basic necessities of life such as food, shelter and clothing Mat_6:25-34; Joh_14:1-4
Of such was the situation with Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden before the fall
Gen 2:4-8 They did not need to worry about such basic necessities as they:
- had food, drink and clothing provided by God Mat_6:25
- did not need to sow, reap and gather into barns Mat_6:26
- did not need to think about about such basic necessities of life, just as
one would not think about increasing one's stature Mat_6:27
- grew with their raiment and did not need to till the ground for food nor
spin for clothing Mat_6:28-30
Only the people of the nations without the knowledge of God and His provision
- Gentiles Eph_2:12 - worry about these things even way into the future. They
cannot conceive of a kingdom where the basic necessities of life are provided
for by the Creator God. As for the people that have the knowledge of God, all
they need is to seek first the kingdom of the Creator God where all these things
are provided for by Him. Thus the people of God must have unwavering faith
in Him, for unbelief in Him and His provision cometh of evil. God's people
will somewhat be like the lilies of the field and fowls of the air that just
live for the present as the morrow would take thought of the things of itself
Mat_6:33-34
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IN CONTEXT: Mat_6:28-33; Gen_2:4-8; Rev_3:17-18
God's will is done in the eternal kingdom of God and where the will of God
is done He becomes provider of all things that are needed for life and living;
as with the lilies of the field and birds of the air on this earth and with
redeemed humanity in the new earth and new heaven - e.g. food, clothing and
mansions Joh_14:1-3 where there is no mortgage, no deposits and no interest
rates but only the currency of faith in God and in the Lord Jesus Christ His
Son Isa_55:1; Rev_3:18; Heb_11:6
Relative to possession of the new heaven and earth, believers need not be
concerned about the things of this world. Rather, have the mind that can, when
divinely required, sell all one's possession to give to the poor and thereby
providing for oneself treasures in heaven; for the possessions of this world
are vain relative to the possessions of the new heaven and earth Luk_12:30-40
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DREAM ON 14 MAY 2008
In this dream my wife and I went to a community which was made of mobile homes.
While my wife sat with a lady ministering to her I went to another home to tell them that we were there to have services. The day was the Sabbath (Saturday) the seventh day, the day that community usually worshiped. Everyone thought that was why we were there. A man called me and said let us know when the preacher gets here. I said well we are here now come and be in the service.
I was at the door of one mobile home. The door was open and a man and lady stood inside. There were no steps there. The man reached out his hand to help me into the trailer. Once in the trailer I walked down the hall and on the couch sat a young man reading a book. When he saw me he got up and left the room. I could tell he did not want any part of the service. There was an evil spirit on him. Then I woke up.
What does this mean?
** Looks like your relentless crusade regarding worshipping on Saturday or Sabbath is still current. It is again reflected in this dream that I am interested in since we have had some fellowship and you are reading my books. May I say that I believe that there is nothing wrong with a community worshipping God on a Saturday; neither is anything wrong with worshipping on a Sunday or any day for that matter under the New Testament Covenant. When worshipping God in spirit and in truth, time and place, which are dimensions of this natural world, are no longer relevant.
Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye
shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation
is of the Jews.
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship
the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit
and in truth.
1Ti 2:8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
Note that I do not really know what denomination or church group you belong to and this does not matter – truth on earth is not the exclusive domain of any man-made religious institution but exclusively the possession of the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of God. Without this Spirit of Christ, we are none of His.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Even Jesus Christ in flesh and blood referred His disciples to the Holy Spirit as an example to all ministers.
Joh 16:12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them
now.
Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you
into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come.
Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show
it unto you.
Joh 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that
he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.
A non-legalistic perspective can see that New Testament (NT) scripture is not about a stand on Old Testament (OT) Sabbath or any other OT singular meat of doctrine. Rather it is about liberty from bondage to the Law of the OT into the Grace, Mercy, Love and Blessings of the NT in Christ Jesus.
Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. FOR IT IS A GOOD THING THAT THE HEART BE ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
The NT fulfilment of the shadow of the OT Sabbath is alluded to in this scripture:
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect
of a holy day, or of the new moon, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:
Col 2:17 WHICH ARE A SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.
This dream does reveal that there is no foundation to your crusade on doctrine of the Sabbath - symbolized by mobile homes rather than firmly based normal homes. It is inconvenient for people to receive it – symbolized by the lack of steps leading into the mobile home for worship. Legalism reminiscent of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Scribes of the Gospels was portrayed in your assessment in the dream that the young man who got up and left the room had an evil spirit on him. I hope that this is not your attitude in real life to all that do not agree with your crusade.
Col 2:6 As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in
him:
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and established in the faith, as ye have
been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after
the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality
and power:
Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without
hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision
of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through
the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh,
hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which
was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them
openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 LET NO MAN THEREFORE JUDGE YOU IN MEAT, OR IN DRINK, OR IN RESPECT
OF A HOLY DAY, OR OF THE NEW MOON, OR OF THE SABBATH DAYS:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
Col 2:18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and
worshiping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly
puffed up by his fleshly mind,
Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands
having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase
of God.
Col 2:20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world,
why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
Col 2:21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
Col 2:22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and
doctrines of men?
Col 2:23 Which things have indeed a show of wisdom in will-worship, and humility,
and neglecting of the body; not in any honor to the satisfying of the flesh.
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