D&V List No

D&V List No. 354

Date: Thursday 28^th October, 1999

Topic: The old Church order will continue to oppose the Apostolic/Prophetic Ministries.

Contents:

This old church order will try to squash the Apostolic/Prophetic ministries. The old will try to keep people from seeing that there is a new move and will speed up their activities to keep the people in their churches. People who are called to be part of the Apostolic movement will have to leave their current churches for their own safety - the safety of what God has birthed in them. Dream by M. Adrienne Hawthorne on Wednesday 13 October, 1999. Interpretation by Kerry.

These 2 dreams are contrasting the end time church, which is built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with the church of the old order, which is in bondage to the spirit of Babylonian. The church of the apostles and prophets will have the reality of Jesus, while the old structures will lead believers into spiritual sleep. Dream received by Janet on Thursday, September 16, 1999 and interpretation by Pam.

Generally speaking your dream Sheila seems to be related to the current outpouring of God’s Spirit upon the Earth and into the Church in these end-times (“clean flood waters”) as you have identified. “Driving in a small town where I live” may also be speaking about the outpouring of God’s Spirit into your local church. Dream received by Sheila on 13 October, 1999. Interpretation by Peter.

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Dear Adrienne

My name is Kerry Porter. I am a member of the Daystar Team. Paula is currently in Fiji ministering so I have had a look at your dream. I will pass on a copy of your dream and my interpretation to him and if he has any further comments will forward them on to you.

I was driving in my car and had stopped at an intersection near one of the suburban malls. There was not a stoplight or stop sign at this intersection. The main street at the intersection is always busy, as there are many businesses on this road leading to the mall. The wait to turn there can be a long one.

· I believe that this part is speaking about Christendom as a whole. The church is very busy with all its church activities and there is no control. Everyone is running around doing all the 'right things' so that there is total disorder in the church.

As I was waiting, I noticed that large heavy equipment construction dump trucks and 18-wheelers were passing me. On very large dump truck was doing a "wheelie" [riding by on the rear axle] and the person driving it appeared to be enjoying himself, and looked to be showing off.

· The big trucks are representing the old church order. These ministries are very large and powerful but are full of trash. They are stuck in the traditions and the self-esteem teachings. These churches look great. There is usually lots going on but it tends to be all for show.

When the traffic cleared enough for me to make a right turn toward the mall, I found myself between some of these large vehicles, and they began to increase in speed. I found myself able to keep up; however, they would come so close to my car, I decided that I needed to get out of the flow of traffic, as I feared for my safety.

· This old church order will try to squash the Apostolic/Prophetic ministries. The old will try to keep people from seeing that there is a new move and will speed up their activities to keep the people in their churches. People who are called to be part of the Apostolic movement will have to leave their current churches for their own safety - the safety of what God has birthed in them.

Matthew 25: 31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

The only way I could remove myself was to make a sharp right turn to get off the road. When I did, my car flipped over once and landed on the wheels. I immediately got out of the car to see if any damage was done, and to my amazement, the car was not harmed at all.

· People called to be part of the Apostolic ministries are feeling like they have to leave the church structures that they are in. They fear the damage that will be done by their leaving. As this move to come out from the old order is of God, then there has been no damage to these ministries.

People began to come to me to see what had happened, and I remember talking to a woman telling her why I reacted that way with my car, and we began discussing how the individual driving those large vehicles were behaving.

· This movement out of the old order will cause some people to sit up and take notice. It will cause their eyes to be opened so that they can see these big showy churches as they really are. -

Acts 26: 8 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

Ephesians 1: 17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, -

I pray that this may provide some insight into this dream and minister to you through His revelation.

Sharing His Blessings,

Kerry Porter.

I remember awakening, as the dream was so profound. I would appreciate any insight, as I do believe this dream deals with the coming apostolic and prophetic move. Thank you. M. Adrienne Hawthorne.

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Dear Janet,

I am a member of the Daystar team and as Paula is ministering in Fiji at this time. He asked me to have a look at your dream. I have added some comments into the body of the dreams so that you may compare them with your own interpretation which was insightful.

Your sister Pam

Subject: Re: Woman in castle & Horse Painter

Date: Wed, 22 Sep 1999 22:20:50 EDT

From JLeBoutdaystaraol.com

To: Daystardaystaruq.net.au

Before sleep asked God to reveal His divine purposes for GA meetings and B & B in SA country.

Dream: One: Woman in castle

The part of the dream that I recall and I believe it is the beginning of the dream, but vague. El (priest) wants me to go to one of two meetings. I had planned on being at an intercessory prayer meeting. The two meetings were in two different sections of the town I grew up in. They were school type meetings and had something to do with children. I am obedient. ·

· The 2 meetings represent the 2 churches existing within Christendom. One church is of the old structure, which lacks the reality of the direct communion and leading of the Spirit. The other church is the end time church, which is being raised up at this time and is being built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets. ·

· Jesus (our high Priest) is directing His people into His New church.(wants me to go to one of 2 meetings) In this you have been obedient.

Scene shifts: I am talking with my children, Duncan and Sarah, on the phone. I am planning to visit Sarah at her home. D & S are talking about coming to visit me and then onto Washington, D. C. with Jock, (their father, my ex-husband in real life) to visit this older woman. They had gone with Jock another time to visit this older woman. Again, I am talking with D & S on the phone and I am led to believe that they are all going to come visit me, D & S, Jock, and the older woman. I am asking them about this lady and how Jock met her. D & S begin to tell me. ·

· Janet, the rest of this dream is giving spiritual insight into the old church structures and leadership. Your former husband may represent leadership who are of the nature of the old man /flesh. Leadership who practice dead works are leading their flocks into fellowship with the spirit of the world. (Older woman).

Scene shifts: It seems as if I am seeing what I asked them. I am observing Jock as he is knocking on a door. I cannot see, but I sense that D & S are with him. They are let into a formal house by a man. I see Jock explaining how he was there to get (Mary- think this was the woman's name in dream), this woman to come to visit me with D & S. The man who is some relative of this lady's is not responding. I see a close up of Jock's head; he tilts his head and sort of smiles charmingly, questioningly. More words. Jock is about to leave when the man ushers him in and wants to show Jock and D & S to their rooms. Jock says " this woman is to visit us; that was the arrangement by phone". The man says, "No, he had heard the arrangements by phone, but this was the way it was to be. This was the way the woman wanted it". I (we) are surprised that they had heard the phone conversation. There was no way that this was possible. I had the realisation that the man and woman were in cahoots. This meant that they had to have heard it supernaturally, by plugging into the mental airways so to speak, sort of like spying. ·

· The spirit of the world or Babylon represented by the woman has enticed fleshly leadership to lead there flock into a place of religious structure and formality (formal house) which is not of the liberty of the Holy Spirit. (Jock is about to leave when He is shown into His and D &S rooms) Church leadership and structure under this spirit is not in harmony with Gods order for His church. The spirit of Babylon has done this through deception, witchcraft and intellectualism (mental airways).

Scene shifts: I am looking at where all this took place. I see a castle in a body of water/harbor with industrial buildings along the shore over to the left and below. A city. To the right and above there is sky and water. It is a large, tall, round, turreted, red brick castle that is all surrounded by water. It appears to have been built on a small, rock island. It is as if the castle rises up from the rock. There is no land around the castle. It's height is between 9 and 13 stories. There are two small castle type windows. I realize that this is where the woman lives, up in the turret, by herself. . The woman is isolated The water forms slightly choppy waves coming right up to the castle walls. I wake up. (as I am writing this down during the night, Sleeping Beauty comes to mind).

Revelations 17:1 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sittith upon many WATERS:

Revelations 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

Revelations 17: 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Revelations 17: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. ·

· The old church structure led captive by the spirit of Babylonian has been put into a state of spiritual slumber or an insensitivity to the leading and teaching of the Holy Spirit. (sleeping beauty)

Dream: Horse Painter

I am getting the address of the horse painter (pen and ink sketchings) from Martin's (my husband) sister. I am going to meet S, my prayer partner there. ·

· The horse sketchings are revealing the church which is of the body of Jesus Christ and is being established by the ministry of the apostles(horse). ·

· Christians are currently receiving directions to come into this end time church.

Scene shifts. Sarah, my daughter, and my sister B are at my parents home in the house I grew up in a small New England town. I am in my parents bedroom and notice muted colored panels (perhaps muted brown and mustard) on the east wall and on either side of the windows on the south wall. The east wall panel is square; the two south side panels are rectangular. Dianne, an old friend, comes to visit with her 2 daughters. I tell Sarah and B not to go outside and greet them. We don't have time. They (Sarah & B) have to get back. How will they get back? Fly? I now realise time is short. I don't know if I will have time to drive up to meet S at the horse painters. I had talked with Dianne earlier and she had left it vague as to whether she was coming to visit. Now she was showing up when we had other plans. ·

· Your childhood home refers to former church structure which has been a natural order, not operating in revelation gifts (parents bedroom muted brown and mustard)

Revelations 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. ·

· Visiting old friend refers to carnal Christians who will try to hinder Christians moving ahead to be part of the new. ( now she was showing up when we had other plans)

Scene shifts. My mother is at the end of the kitchen table and is just finishing her martini. I told her if she said anything when this woman came in like inviting her to stay, I would sing/shout chitty, chitty, bang, bang. (Amusing attention getter) My mother looks up confused and drunk. In the dream I have been sleeping late, so time is short to get to horse painter. ·

· Your mother or the church generally is intoxicated with the spirit of Babylon and her teachings which produce confusion or the inability to comprehend spiritual things.( I had been sleeping late)

At some point I am in the bedroom again and I notice the panels on the wall. They are now brightly colored. I think the square panel is a bright blue and the rectangular panels are bright sea green, almost aqua. ·

· The current outpouring of dreams and visions is one of life and liberty in leading and teaching of the Spirit to bring His people into His church/kingdom.

Scene shifts. This is confusing. I seem to be back in the horse painter scene. May have been a dream within a dream. I thought that I was seeing a painting of the horse painter's works. But in the dream it is like the pictures I see in a dream, not a painting type picture. First there is a close up of the side view of the painter's face in brownish charcoal. It is the face of Jesus. Then I see a barn on the left, a large, thick evergreen tree in the foreground and a horse on the right There are more trees in the background. I didn't think I had the money for the painting, but perhaps he would have postcards of the barn, tree and horse. It was complicated and confusing finding out where he was. It turned out the horse painter was nearby, Norwich I think. ·

· The horse painter or Jesus is revealing details of His church, which shall be of His own, design and pattern. It is not a physical church as it is not built by human hands but it exists in spiritual places in Christ Jesus. The barn reflects the provision of the direct leading and teaching of the Spirit. The thick evergreen Tree is Jesus who is the tree of life and the trees in the background reflect his church. ·

· The postcards reflect the enabling grace of the Lord given at this time for believers to be part of the end time body of Christ.

Comment by Janet

What struck me about this dream was the horse painter portion and that time is short. We need to keep our focus and attention on Jesus; He is preparing a major move on earth for His kingdom to come to His churches and nations. The dream around the dream is the world, daily chitty, chitty, bang, bang stuff. We need to that fall off and keep our focus on Jesus.

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On Oct 13th I dreamt of driving in the small town where I live. As I was driving down the street I saw water on the road, as it were from the stream overflowing. It looked as if I could drive through it easy enough. As I started on through the water kept getting deeper and deeper over the car I remember thinking that I hoped it would not kill my engine, the water eventually covered the windshield, but the car did not die. There was no fear, only the concern of knowing that driving through deep waters could kill the engine. The water was clean and not muddy even though I knew they were flood waters.

· There is an indication here that these may be times of difficulty and uncertainty for the ministries of the church, including your own (“car”), (“I hoped it would not killed my engine”). This outpouring seems to be related to the waters of baptism and cleansing which speaks of the Apostolic anointing of death to self.

1 Corinthians 4:9

For I think that God hath set forth us the apostles last, as it were appointed to death: for we are made a spectacle unto the world, and to angels, and to men.

I then drove on into town after I passed through the water. Then I remember being on the side of the road, but I don't remember why if my car had not died. Then this young woman who is expecting her first baby soon stopped

and picked me up. I was telling her about the water on the road, but when we reached that place the water was gone. We drove on a little further and looked down this other street that runs along where the creek runs, and the water was starting to overflow so we drove down that street. And soon as before the clean flood waters were flowing up over the windshield. And I remember Susan's steering wheel was missing and she was steering with just the place where the steering wheel should have attached. I remember thinking that was not right that she should have to drive that way and that her husband should fix it for her. We came out of the water okay, the car did not stall and then we stopped for her husband, he was standing along side the road, I think he had been at work.

· As a result of this outpouring of God’s Spirit, the Church, including your own, is expecting to give birth to something new, possibly the new Apostolic order (“Then this young woman…”). This new Apostolic order has been the theme of many of the dreams of Christians at this time. It would seem that you have been called into this new move of God (“picked me up”).

· A major focus of this new Apostolic order is the dependence upon the Holy Spirit to lead and teach His flock. (“Susan’s steering wheel was missing”).

I hope that these few comments will shed a little more light on your dream.

God bless.

Peter.