D&V List No.360
Date: Tuesday 9th November, 1999.
Topic:
Vitally important message on great deception and seduction within Christendom at this time!
Contents:
* There is presently a place of great delusion that is being presented to Christendom which is a spiritual place of bliss that appears to be of heaven, of the Garden of Eden and of the Promised Land…However, it is a place of great deception for the people and churches who are given to the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the riches of the gold and silver thereof. Vitally important dream for the instruction of us all by Denise on 15th October, 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
* The basic nature of the foundation of this Babylonian skyscraper church speaks of the fundamental foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ upon which churches are built. The dream is saying that the Babylonian church structure will be judged. Dream by Sandy Van Eysinga on 17th October, 1999 and interpretation by Pam Watson and Sandy.
* This passage of the dream portrays enticement away from your husband, away from others and confirms the man to be of a deceiving and seducing spirit. Dream by Linda Lemieux submitted on 28th October, 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
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THERE IS PRESENTLY A PLACE OF GREAT DELUSION THAT IS BEING PRESENTED TO CHRISTENDOM which is a spiritual place of bliss that appears to be of heaven, of the Garden of Eden and of the Promised Land…However, it is a place of great deception for the people and churches who are given to the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good and evil and the riches of the gold and silver thereof. Vitally important dream for the instruction of us all by Denise on 15th October, 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 10:12:33 EST
From: RBuck22797daystaraol.com
Brother Paula,
I have sat with this dream for awhile because it so disturbed me and repulsed
me that I wasn't certain about sharing it with the Body of Christ. But the
Lord has been gracious and given scripture lately to confirm what I believe
is a warning for all of us (a brief not - in the natural I am not married nor
engaged to be married) However, this dream in portraying the gathering of family and friends to celebrate my wedding day.
THE DREAM:
We were gathered in the vestibule of a large hotel waiting for the procession to begin. I was attired in a beautiful gown with layers and layers of jewel encrusted lace and satin. But oddly I was carrying 2 satin and beaded shoulder bags that I knew I carried gold and silver coins. One of the bags was white and one was black.
Denise, as seers or dreamers we often represent the subject that the Lord wants to address. Sometimes the subject can be a negative one as in this dream where you represent the apostate church which is of the worldly spirit of Babylon. Thus you were arrayed in that which is of the riches of this world and carried that which represents the riches of the world (shoulder bags that I knew I carried gold and silver coins) even as Babylon in Revelation chapters 17 & 18.
· The number 2 in this dream speaks of division so that the black and white bags depict the mixture of the riches of the spirit of the world with that of the Spirit of God. This reminds us of the forbidden tree of the knowledge of good (white) and evil (black) in the Garden of Eden in the book of Genesis. Knowledge based on a mixture of good and evil will only bring about destruction and death.
2Pet 3:14
And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as
our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you;
2Pet 3:15
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in
which are some things hard to be understood, which THEY THAT ARE
UNLEARNED AND UNSTABLE WREST, AS THEY DO ALSO THE OTHER SCRIPTURES, UNTO THEIR OWN DESTRUCTION.
One of my sisters (natural) was there with her oldest daughter. The daughter stole a roll of silver pieces (10 cent pieces- 50 total) I stepped up to my sister
and told her all the girl had to do was ask and I would have given her the
coins. Then I said to my sister, "Will you join us to dine after the wedding
ceremony? (Marriage supper of the Lamb?) She declined with a disdainful,
haughty attitude and pulled back from me.
I looked off to the side of vestibule and noticed several people who were feeling sick and needed healing. I walked over to them and began to pray for them. Immediately my sister called to several others and they gathered around those that were ill to "pray against me and my prayers" (Like birds of prey- snatching seeds of the Word out of the air before it could even reach the soil of these peoples hearts!) I stepped back toward the doorway of the garden court where the wedding was to take place. I adjusted the beaded and satin bags and tucked
them into the folds of my wedding gown.
· Denise, the dream is saying that nothing goes right for the carnal Church being described here. This is the church that bears fruit in stealing, hate, pride, jealousy, division and strife. It is an apostate church that cannot grow and develop beyond milk and is therefore susceptible to seduction and deception from the principalities and powers of darkness.
1Cor 3:1
And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as
unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Cor 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not
able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Cor 3:3
For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and
strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Here there is also sickness and disease!
1Cor 11:29
For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh
damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Cor 11:30
For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
PART 2-
Now the wedding was to begin and all who were to participate preceded toward
the altar - which was located at the front of this great open air garden with
seating for many guests. As we gathered at the altar with the pastor, 4
others came to stand around me and pray for me. My husband to-be was not at the altar with me. And oddly, I kept catching glimpses of a very short statured fellow with khaki pants and a Polynesian print shirt wandering among the people who were attending the wedding. He "appeared" very casual and unimposing. But something about him put a very unsettled feeling in me and I wondered why he was not dressed in proper attire for the ceremony and why he just kept wandering around at a distance, not approaching the altar.
· Obviously this man does not want to be subjected to scrutiny lest he be exposed for the spiritual darkness which is his nature and for the deception in his role as the bridegroom for the church. He cannot even approach to the altar which represents holiness, for in darkness he cannot attain to the things of the Light of God.
PART 3
At this point I left the altar and climbed several steps up to an enclosed
vineyard. It was full of blossoms and vines were heavy with fruit. It was
so beautiful and fragrant. I began to dance and sing in the language of the
spirit and as soon as I sang the interpretation came immediately. The song
and dance both were about The Lord being the vine and we being the branches-
abiding in Him for the fullness of all He would accomplish in us. (John 15:
1-8) As the song ended I stepped down out of the vineyard and went to the
altar again.
· Herein, is the place of great deception that all churches must examine themselves for. There is presently within Christendom a spiritual place of bliss that is being presented that appears to be of heaven, of the Garden of Eden and of the Promised Land (an enclosed vineyard. It was full of blossoms and vines were heavy with fruit. It was so beautiful and fragrant) Here, people feel that they are in the presence of the Lord and are being joined to the Lord (vine and branches). This place of deception is for people and churches who are given to the spirit of Babylon as described above.
PART 4
(This is where there was a great shift in the entire feeling of the dream and why it disturbed me so much.) Suddenly the pastor announced, "this ceremony is over and your time is up" We have to move all these people out of here to make room for the next group of people to hold their ceremony." (As if our reservation time was up!) I stood at the altar dumbfounded for a moment then someone shuffled me off to a small "anti-room" attached to the garden court.
· Mercifully, the Lord is revealing and warning in this dream concerning the deception and delusion that the apostate church is involved in. She will be rudely brought out of the spell of delusion into reality.
Here for the first time I came face to face with the man who was to be my husband. It was the short man I had seen wandering through the garden court. His demeanor was passive and non-threatening, but as I looked closely at him I noticed a great diagonal gash across his mouth that left a wide scar across his lips. He was being introduced to me by his mother and his father and his brother and sister. He was rather pitiful looking and I felt compassion rising in me.
However he leaned toward me to embrace me I only casually brushed his cheek
with a sisterly kiss.
Immediately a door opened in the anti-room and he whisked me away into a
waiting vehicle. He began to drive furiously down a tunnel like road that
was covered over with a great overhanging trees that made is seem even
darker. He began to sexually defile me and the inside of the car with his "seed"
End of dream.
· Denise, in portraying the deceived Church/Bride, the Lord wants you and Christendom to know what it will be like to be of the 5 foolish virgins unto whom the door of the kingdom of heaven will be shut. In being given to darkness they will be joined to the prince of darkness and be subjected to his abuse. THIS IS A WARNING!!!
· The 5 foolish virgins lacked the oil of the knowledge of God in the direct teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit.
Eph 1:17
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give
unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18
THE EYES OF YOUR UNDERSTANDING BEING ENLIGHTENED; THAT YE MAY KNOW what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of
his inheritance in the saints,
Rom 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the
Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
1Pet 3
3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward [adorning] of plaiting the hair,
and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;
4 But [let it be] the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not
corruptible, [even the ornament] of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the
sight of God of great price.
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THE BASIC NATURE OF THE FOUNDATION OF THIS BABYLONIAN SKYSCRAPER CHURCH SPEAKS OF THE FUNDAMENTAL FOUNDATION OF THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST upon which churches are built. The dream is saying that the Babylonian church structure will be judged. Dream by Sandy Van Eysinga on 17th October, 1999 and interpretation by Pam Watson and Sandy.
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:39:35 -0700 (PDT)
From: Roger van Eysinga <rogervedaystaryahoo.com>
Dear Paula and Daystar family,
I had a dream on Sunday morning (Oct. 17/99) that I aught to share with
you.
In the dream, I was eating with some homosexual friends (in reality I don't have any) in their apartment in a high rise in White Rock (a seaside resort city nearby). We were in the penthouse suite, and we were eating a sumptuous meal in the beautiful surroundings. The apartment had large windows which covered one whole western wall and part of the roof in the direction facing the ocean. It was a lovely view as we ate, the westward ocean during sunset.
· I wonder if the high rise in White rock is representing current church
structure. Specifically the penthouse suite may refer to current church
structure which has embodied the richness of the Babylonian spirit of
the world. (lovely view of the ocean), elevating self serving leadership
( homosexuals) into a position of dominance within the church. This
part of the dream reminded me of the Tower of Babel
Genesis 11:
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top
may reach unto heaven; and LET US MAKE US A NAME, lest we be scattered
abroad upon the face of the whole earth.
5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the
children of men builded.
· Sandy, you may represent those who are of the current
apostolic/prophetic anointing.
As we were eating and conversing, I suddenly saw the ocean being whipped up incredibly quickly into whitecaps of unusually rapid frequency, one right
after another. It was a shocking view. Then I noticed that the waves were suddenly becoming greater in size, and I saw two or three massive tsunami-type waves approaching. I warned the others but with no time to react, the first wave went over us--over a sky scraper! followed rapidly by a second wave. These
waves thankfully did us no harm, although I had expected them to completely destroy us. But we could see the devastation of the outside, looking down
below.
The Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness
and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God
hath showed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God,
neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their
foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made
like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and
creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of
their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served
the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
· The Lord’s Judgment is currently being stirred against these structures
and leadership. The 2 waves which went over the building may reflect
the warnings of judgment which have been given to the church by those of the
apostolic/prophetic anointing
Then I saw a great, black storm approaching--like a black tornado taking up 1/3 of the sky to the west, approaching from the ocean in the west. I knew that
the glass windows and the apartment would not be able to withstand the force of that storm, and I immediately stood up and yelled for my family, to run to the protected basement cellar of this skyscraper. As I ran I grabbed my kids and raced down the stairs all the way to the basement.
· The black tornado: refers to a time of spiritual darkness and
deception as Satan and his hordes are released into the earth. To
escape from these strong delusions those of the apostolic/prophetic
anointing will lead Christians within the church to the foundation of
the gospel of Christ whereby Jesus is the true shepherd.( I grabbed my
kids and raced down the stairs to the basement).
In the basement we were safe, although the facilities were very basic--as one would expect in an average church basement--some wooden, straight chairs and
set-up tables, cement floor, and not much else. But the church people who had already gathered there were safe and grateful. Then a strange thing happened.
· The basic nature of the foundation of this Babylonian skyscraper church speaks of the fundamental foundation of the Gospel of Jesus Christ upon which churches are built. The dream is saying that the Babylonian church structure built on this foundation will be judged.
1Cor 3:10
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise
masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth
thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Cor 3:11
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus
Christ.
We were passing the time, getting each other comfortable and rubbing each other's backs, joking, etc. My pastor's wife came up and wanted me to rub
her bum! I refused, but then said I would but only with my elbow. I realise this embarrassing incident has some symbolic meaning, but can't figure it out. I
keep thinking of the phrase, "butt kissing." End of dream.
· " Butt Kissing", may be highlighting the inherent tendency of the
Adamic nature within the church to worship the creature/ woman/ church
rather than turning our attention to serving and worshiping the
Creator. Perhaps this event in the dream is highlighting the leadership arrogance that is in the churches that draw the attention of God’s people to the leaders themselves and not to the Holy Spirit and Jesus emphatically instructed.
John 16:12
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into
all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall
hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
INTERPRETATION BY SANDY:
I have only a partial interpretation at this time. The apartment with gay friends in a sumptuous setting represents the state of the Western church today, which tolerates gay behaviour and is focused on consumption of luxury. The windows represent my gift of seeing, which is dreams and visions.
The waves being whipped up so rapidly and so strangely represents the signs of the times we are in, a time of rapidly occurring catastrophes in the world--such as earthquakes, and hurricanes. There are two great waves of judgement coming which we will fear and which will be awesome, but which God will protect the Western church from. But there is a massive storm of Judgement which only obedience to God's commands and a willingness to be humble will save us from.
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THIS PASSAGE OF THE DREAM PORTRAYS ENTICEMENT AWAY FROM YOUR HUSBAND, AWAY FROM OTHERS AND CONFIRMS THE MAN TO BE OF A DECEIVING AND SEDUCING SPIRIT. Dream by Linda Lemieux submitted on 28th October, 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:21:28 -0700
From: "Jim and Linda" <riverwinddaystaricehouse.net>
THE CIRCUMSTANCES :
I just finished attending a conference on spiritual hunger at the Healing Rooms of John G. Lake in Spokane, Washington USA. Also we just moved and are in the midst of establishing ourselves in a church family. It seems very hard to connect, as if God's people in this area have a shell around them.......
THE DREAM :
In the dream I had a friendship with an unknown male. He was a young man, pure, deep and somehow I knew that He was a priest (not of the Roman Catholic Variety). We were very close friends.
· This friend and young priest could represent a church ministry with which you are familiar or have become familiar. Being unknown places him a little on the mystical side in the message of the dream.
He had a little tiny (3-4 inches long) baby that he showed me. It needed lots of care.
· This baby is not normal and therefore casts suspicion on the credibility of the gifts and abilities of this ministry. That is, this ministry could be a false one and is not from the Lord.
In the dream I was married to my real life husband. I and an older man began to minister to my friend who seemed weighed down and very concerned with something. As soon as I put my hand on his shoulder the friendship changed to a deep drawing pure passion which I knew we shared. I also knew that the ministry time was to be limited to the three of us. Something interrupted the ministry and lots of other people began to show up and that was the end of that.
· This passage of the dream portrays enticement away from your husband, away from others and confirms the man to be of a deceiving and seducing spirit.
How my heart wanted to be close to my friend and to be allowed to be freely loved by him (purely....no sexual overtones). Yet I began to be aware of my husband in the background, jealously looking at me. I began to fight the drawing of this new relationship for I deeply did not want to be unfaithful in any way to my husband and knew that I had to cut off the relationship in order to be faithful to him. I felt the depth of love and desire for sharing intimacy with my friend must be sacrificed for the sake of my marriage and no one must ever know. The depth of hunger in my spirit for reciprocated friendship, depth, passion and understanding was startling and overwhelming.
· Linda, the dream is saying that you have been comprehensively seduced by this ministry away from the true Christ (portrayed by your husband) just as Israel in the old testament was often seduced by the pagan gods of the nations around it. This is a warning to you and to the Church in general to beware of deceiving and seducing spirits in Christian ministries and churches.
Isa 57:3
But draw near hither, ye sons of the sorceress, the seed of the
adulterer and the whore.
Isa 57:4
Against whom do ye sport yourselves? against whom make ye a wide
mouth, and draw out the tongue? are ye not children of transgression,
a seed of falsehood,
Isa 57:5
Enflaming yourselves with idols under every green tree, slaying the
children in the valleys under the clifts of the rocks?
Isa 57:6
Among the smooth stones of the stream is thy portion; they, they are
thy lot: even to them hast thou poured a drink offering, thou hast
offered a meat offering. Should I receive comfort in these?
Isa 57:7
Upon a lofty and high mountain hast thou set thy bed: even thither
wentest thou up to offer sacrifice.
Isa 57:8
Behind the doors also and the posts hast thou set up thy remembrance:
for THOU HAST DISCOVERED THYSELF TO ANOTHER THAN ME, and art gone up; thou hast enlarged thy bed, and made thee a covenant with them; thou
lovedst their bed where thou sawest it.
Isa 57:9
And thou wentest to the king with ointment, and didst increase thy
perfumes, and didst send thy messengers far off, and didst debase
thyself even unto hell.
Isa 57:10
Thou art wearied in the greatness of thy way; yet saidst thou not,
There is no hope: thou hast found the life of thine hand; therefore
thou wast not grieved.
I know of course that there is a personal application here but also believe that there might be a corporate one for the Bride. Any comments?
Your sister in Christ,
Linda Lemieux
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