D&V List No.365
Date: Monday 22nd November, 1999
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* It appears Jim, that the Lord is equating for us all here His judgment upon the nations of the world with the working of the spirit of the world on the Internet to affect, influence and direct the nations of the world. Dream by Jim Black submitted on 12th Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
* Presently the Holy Spirit is teaching those who are and will be teaching others (seminar for teachers) in the ways of God’s heavenly communion and the ways of walking with the Lord accordingly. The dream is emphasizing the fact that there is no cost for this end time school of the Spirit! Dream by Laura Willoughby in early Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
* There will come a time when the power of the Holy Spirit will cause Israel to arise from her slumber and go in search of Him. Though she once stumbled over and ignored the gifts and blessings that were to be hers, she will come to realize her foolishness in having rejected Him. The apostles and prophets currently being raised up by the Lord (the two groomsmen) will be instrumental in conveying the love of Christ to the Jews and Israel and in this way the remnant of Israel will return to the Lord. Dream and interpretation by Denise on 8th Nov. 1999.
* The overflowing of the floor of houses or buildings is a very common incidence in dreams, especially in the late 1990’s. I believe that this has to do with a special end time outpouring of God’s Spirit and this is related to the incidence of divine dreams whereby God is communicating directly with His people. It also has to do with the present move/work of the Spirit in the restoration and coming together of the end time Church/Temple of God as portrayed in the latter chapters of Ezekiel. Dream by Barbara Arhel submitted on 3rd Nov. 1999.
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IT APPEARS JIM, THAT THE LORD IS EQUATING FOR US ALL HERE HIS JUDGMENT UPON THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD with the working of the spirit of the world on the Internet to affect, influence and direct the nations of the world. Dream by Jim Black submitted on 12th Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:29:43 -0600
From: "Jim Black" <jimblackdaystarwt.net>
I have had this one repeatedly. I am climbing a tower by stairs at every storey. The tower is so....o very high. The other night I had reached the top and started back down in the company of some people I did not know.
Genesis 11
4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top [may
reach] unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad
upon the face of the whole earth.
5. And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children
of men builded.
6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one
language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from
them, which they have imagined to do.
I saw two vehicles go over the stair rail. One of the vehicles was black. I immediately ran for help. Someone appeared with a winch and a funny net which was made from fine wire held together with nuts, and bolts, and screws. I looked over the stair rail and it was a Lon...g way down to the water below.
Suddenly, I saw a hand (I never saw the rest of this person)give a screw to the person running the winch. A voice said, "This must be included in the net in
future rescues", and the screw was woven into the net.
When the net was pulled back up there was a Volkswagen bug, and some kind of three wheel vehicle (motor cycle type) in the net. The drivers were both female and they both kissed me for their rescue. A man came up on the net (not in it) and he jumped back into the water. I knew he had more to do with the rescue than I. I also knew the Black vehicle was "lurking" in the depths of the water somewhere.
I hurried to catch up with the people I was with because they had not stopped. The two women went with me. I knew I would not catch up with the other people, but it did not seem to matter any more. Each storey of the tower was unique. The architecture and the people living on the levels were all different from all of the others. The stairs between were not all connected. I had to search to find the stairway on each level, going up and going down.
INTERPRETATION BY PAULA
Here is a modern Tower of Babel wherein the nations of the world are accommodated in one communication medium (language). Presently the nations are yet divided, some are connected and others are still struggling to be online. Presumably the people walking and driving up and down the Tower are those involved in bringing about this end time Tower of Babel. As in the biblical tower of Babel the peoples of the world are being consolidated to strive towards speaking one language in their attempt at great leaps of progress in human endeavor.
Gen 11:6
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one
language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be
restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
Gen 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they
may not understand one another's speech.
Jim, this tower may very well be the attempt of the powers that be in the spiritual realm and those in their power on earth at bringing the nations of the world together. Thus the tower could be the Internet which serves the purpose of the world and your identification with it has to do with your profession which is computer programming. This may also explain why you did not know the group of people (computer programmers) that you were with. They are spiritual Gentiles and you are a spiritual Jew. Programmers play a major role in the communication tower of the Internet!
It appears Jim, that the Lord is equating for us all here His judgment upon the nations of the world with the working of the spirit of the world on the Internet to affect, influence and direct the nations of the world. This is the direction towards self destruction which is the inherent nature of the spirit of the darkness of this world. In this dream, the spirit of the darkness of this world is the “software of the Internet” and the winch and NET of wire, screws, nuts and bolts constitute the “hardware of the Internet.”
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more
abundantly.
Most likely the vehicles that traveled on the tower represent big players in the business side of the working of the Internet and they are the ones that God will be targeting to confound the language and communication ability of the Internet. That is, their business will fail! Others will come to the rescue of those business interests but those that blatantly advance the purpose of the god of the darkness of this world (black car that could not be rescued) will not recover.
Gen 11:7
Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they
may not understand one another's speech.
Gen 11:8
So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all
the earth: and they left off to build the city.
Gen 11:9
Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there
confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD
scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.
It could be that programmers (dreamer) will play a role in the rescue of these large business concerns on the Internet. (I hurried to catch up with the people I was with because they had not stopped. The two women went with me.)
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PRESENTLY THE HOLY SPIRIT IS TEACHING THOSE WHO ARE AND WILL BE TEACHING OTHERS (SEMINAR FOR TEACHERS) IN THE WAYS OF GOD’S HEAVENLY COMMUNION and the ways of walking with the Lord accordingly. The dream is emphasizing the fact that there is no cost for this end time school of the Spirit! Dream by Laura Willoughby in early Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 12:58:26 EST
From: LWILLOBEEdaystaraol.com
I had this short dream last week and there were no out of the ordinary
happenings or circumstances.
The dream begins with me and a companion walking in the hallway of a school
where I have been assigned a teaching position. I observe as we walk that
there is absolutely nothing in the building. There are no desks, no books,
no students, no people, and no furniture at all.
My companion and I heard some way or the other (don't remember how) that there was going to be a seminar for teachers and that the person conducting this seminar was a great teacher. We decided to go to the seminar and when we got there I was so impressed with the teacher. He was a tall slender man with long dark hair pulled back in a ponytail, he had a mustache, a beard and he wore wire framed glasses. He looked so very familiar to me.
Some way the scene in the dream changes and I am not a participant, but I am an observer. I watch this seminar teacher go on the front porch of the house of my birth and youth. He goes to the mailbox and he drops something in. I went to the house and I looked into the mailbox and I pull out a receipt that is made out to me. I can't remember what the receipt was for nor what the amount was. The receipt was marked paid in full.
· This dream appears to be addressing the school of the Holy Spirit which is a spiritual school and where the Holy Spirit (great teacher) is the teacher. Presently the Holy Spirit is teaching those who are and will be teaching others (seminar for teachers) in the ways of God’s heavenly communion and the ways of walking with the Lord accordingly. The dream is emphasizing the fact that there is no cost for this end time school of the Spirit!
Isa 55:1
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath
no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without
money and without price.
Isa 55:2
Wherefore do ye spend money for that which is not bread? and your
labour for that which satisfieth not? hearken diligently unto me, and
eat ye that which is good, and let your soul delight itself in
fatness.
Isa 55:3
Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear, and your soul shall live;
and I will make an everlasting covenant with you, even the sure
mercies of David.
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THERE WILL COME A TIME WHEN THE POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL CAUSE ISRAEL TO ARISE FROM HER SLUMBER AND GO IN SEARCH OF HIM. Though she once stumbled over and ignored the gifts and blessings that were to be hers, she will come to realize her foolishness in having rejected Him. The apostles and prophets currently being raised up by the Lord (the two groomsmen) will be instrumental in conveying the love of Christ to the Jews and Israel and in this way the remnant of Israel will return to the Lord. Dream and interpretation by Denise on 8th Nov. 1999.
Subject: The Chruch and Israel
Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:55:27 EST
From: RBuck22797daystaraol.com
I was asleep in a large bed. As I awoke, I looked across the bed and saw my
Jewish mother-in-law seated there. But my bridegroom was not with me. I rose
from my bed then and repeatedly straightened my dress trying to smooth away
the wrinkles. Then went out in search of him. (Song of Solomon 3:1-3).
Gal 4:24
Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the
one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25
For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem
which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
As I ascended a flight of stairs, I saw a thick wall on the right hand side of the
stairway. About halfway up there was a large square-opening cut through the
wall.
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the
middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of
commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain
one new man, so making peace;
On the other side of the wall I saw my bridegroom preparing for the
wedding. I saw Him getting dressed in his wedding attire. But, there was
another woman helping him get dressed and prepared. She was straightening his
collar, etc. (Song of Soloman 5: 6-8). She didn't look at me, but I could
sense haughtiness and gloating in her attitude toward me. (Roman 11:18-20).
I knew in my spirit that he was preparing to marry another. I hurried up the
rest of the stairs and stumbled over a short wall at the top of the landing.
I bumped into a table covered with all kinds of beautifully wrapped wedding
gifts. I quickly straightened the gifts back into neat tidy rows, but
ignored them and went on. (Romans 9:32)
I walked into an adjacent room and found two groomsmen. They appeared to
be waiting for me. They told me the bridegroom has recently been there to see
them and speak with them and that he had wept bitterly. (Luke 19:41-44) Then
they said to me. "Do you know why he cried so?" They told me it was because
he still loved me. I was his first love. He still wanted me to be his bride, but I had rejected him. Now He was betrothed to another and he went away from there in great anguish. I felt panicky and heart broken. Then a great jealousy was stirred in my spirit. I cried out to the groomsmen "Where has he gone? Maybe it is not too late. Maybe he will yet have me as his own." I left to go in search of him.
UNDERSTANDING GIVEN BY THE LORD:
This is a picture of Israel and the Church. Israel is and has always been
the Lord's first love. Although He is now betrothed to the Church, yet His
anguished heart cry is for His first bride, Israel. The Church *(Christendom
in general) is carrying itself with an attitude of self-satisfaction and
smugness as if it has usurped Israel's place in the heart of the Lord. This
is not so (Roman 11:1-5). There will come a time that the power of the Holy
Spirit will cause Israel to arise from her slumber and go in search of Him
(Isiah 60: 1-3). Though she once stumbled over and ignored the gifts and
blessings that were to be hers, she will come to realize her foolishness in
having rejected Him. (Romans 11:11-12). The apostles and prophets currently
being raised up by the Lord (the two groomsmen) will be instrumental in
conveying the love of Christ to the Jews and Israel and in this way the
remnant of Israel will return to the Lord. (Ephesian 2:11-17, Ephesians
4:1-6, Romans 11: 25-29). She (Isra3l) will become jealous of the Church
(Romans 11:1Romans 10:19) for now possessing the love of her beloved (Hosea
2:23) and she will go out in a desperate search to win back the love of her
bidegroom (Messiah).
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THE OVERFLOWING OF THE FLOOR OF HOUSES OR BUILDINGS IS A VERY COMMON INCIDENCE IN DREAMS, ESPECIALLY IN THE LATE 1990’S. I believe that this has to do with a special end time outpouring of God’s Spirit and this is related to the incidence of divine dreams whereby God is communicating directly with His people. It also has to do with the present move/work of the Spirit in the restoration and coming together of the end time Church/Temple of God as portrayed in the latter chapters of Ezekiel. Dream by Barbara Arhel submitted on 3rd Nov. 1999.
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:32:00 +0200
From: "Pierre Arhel" <pb.arheldaystarfrgateway.net>
(Before I discovered your Website)
I
dreamt a couple of weeks ago that I was approaching a stately kind of
mansion, there were people inside the mansion, but I don't know what they
were doing. I knew that the sea or the river had overflowed and had flowed
onto the floor of the house. I was wearing sandals and as I found myself
wading through this water (just over ankle deep) I wondered whether I ought
to take my sandals off (perhaps I thought they might be damaged by the
water) but then I felt that it didn't really matter, so I continued wading
my way through this house. End of dream.
· Barbara, the overflowing of the floor of houses or buildings is a very common incidence in dreams, especially in the late 1990’s. I believe that this has to do with a special end time outpouring of God’s Spirit and this is related to the incidence of divine dreams whereby God is communicating directly with His people. It also has to do with the present move/work of the Spirit in the restoration and coming together of the end time Church/Temple of God as portrayed in the latter chapters of Ezekiel. The D&V List is helping to shed some enlightenment into this process.
Ezek 47:1
Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and,
behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house
eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and
the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at
the south side of the altar.
Ezek 47:2
Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me
about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh
eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Ezek 47:3
And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward,
he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters;
the waters were to the ankles.
Ezek 47:4
Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the
waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought
me through; the waters were to the loins.
Ezek 47:5
Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not
pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that
could not be passed over.
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