D&V List No.373
Date: Wednesday 15th December, 1999
Contents:
* I saw a light shaped in the outline of a man and "it" walked by and stood between myself and my husband…The light was "alive", moving within itself like cells would look moving under a telescope. I was curious as to what this was, so I reached out to touch it. When I did, it reached out to me and our fingers touched. The power that was HIM went through my arm and down my body until I was one with Him. Spiritual experience in the sleep state by Melissa Willams submitted on 8th Dec. 1999.
* The oriental woman was easily recognizable as representing the practice of
occult religions, and worship of false god's, BUT that she was not that far
removed or different from those "Christians" in western cultures who
practice the same, for the same heritage reasons, but do not believe or know
really what they are *empowering* in the spiritual world, through their
lightly held 'practices.’ Dream needing no interpretation by Vicki Camp on 11th Dec. 1999.
* Deceiving and seducing spirits also cause Christians to have stunted and deformed spiritual growth as they work towards controlling the eating habits of the people. Here the church structures and programs ensure that the direct teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit is effectively ostracized! Dream by Roberta Buck on 7th Dec. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
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I SAW A LIGHT SHAPED IN THE OUTLINE OF A MAN AND "IT" WALKED BY AND STOOD BETWEEN MYSELF AND MY HUSBAND…The light was "alive", moving within itself like cells would look moving under a telescope. I was curious as to what this was, so I reached out to touch it. When I did, it reached out to me and our fingers touched. The power that was HIM went through my arm and down my body until I was one with Him. Spiritual experience while asleep by Melissa Willams submitted on 8th Dec. 1999.
Subject: RE: Spiritual experience
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:41:28 +0100
From: Roland Williams <roland.williamsdaystardiagraf.se>
All I can say is thank you, thank you and THANK YOU!!! No one has given me
quite the insight and encouragement that you have, since I began having
these experiences 4 years ago. Who knew that after bugging my pastors,
brothers and sisters for so long, it would be someone in Australia, whom I
have never met to help me in such a tangible way!
When I suddenly realized that I was in my bedroom after having been with
Jesus, I came under such a strong anointing that I shook violently in the
bed for a few minutes while crying. I checked the clock, it was 2:22 in the
morning. My husband just happened to be awake and working on his laptop
when I woke up. This leads me to believe that I had probably been asleep
for 3 hours or so. The experience came at a time of great discouragement
for me. I had been repenting for the lack of love I had shown my husband.
I felt I didn't even love him and desperately felt trapped in the marriage.
If I left, I was out of the will of God. If I stayed, I felt held captive
in a loveless marriage. We were plagued with financial trouble and post
partum depression.
The room I found myself in when I saw Jesus, looked like an old European chapel and the details of the room were very vivid. A woman was washing our feet (my husband's and myself) and I thought I was there to renew my vows with my husband. It was apparent we were waiting for someone. I saw a light shaped in the outline of a man and "it" walked by and stood between myself and my husband. My husband stands 6 foot 1 inch tall. This figure was about 2 inches shorter than he. The light was "alive", moving within itself like cells would look moving under a telescope.
I was curious as to what this was, so I reached out to touch it. When I did, it reached out to me and our fingers touched. The power that was HIM went through my arm and down my body until I was one with Him. I mentioned earlier that the room was very detailed, but as the power went through me I saw less of the room and more of this man. When all I saw ended up being Him, I knew instantly that it was Jesus. I screamed and flung myself into His arms
yelling, "It's you, it's really you!! Everything is about You, isn't it?! In my excitement, I actually knocked us both on the ground. He laughed the
whole time and thought my childlike enthusiasm was sweet.
We sat with our backs against the pulpit in the room and I sat on His left. I looked deeply into His face trying to memorize every detail. I was shocked He looked so young (young thirties). I don't know why I expected Him to look old and He was really very lovely to look at. I thought to myself that it was probably
the first time I had ever thought a man to be so lovely in such a "pure"
way, devoid of sin. He had light brown hair, eyes and tannish skin. His
eyes smiled before He did. I confessed to Him that I needed help. My flesh
was so weak and my desire was not to please Him with a whole heart. I
begged Him for help. He then did a precious thing. He wrapped His left arm
around me and with His right hand, pulled my head into His chest and He
simply rocked me as a child. I pulled away and again looked into His eyes
and said, "What I feel for you is so much deeper than love. I WORSHIP YOU."
I said this over and over to Him. I also begged Him to never let me go back
to earth. He thought this was really funny and He threw His head back with
laughter as if to say, "Silly girl, of course you have to back!"
Just then I noticed another spirit out of the corner of my eye. It paced back and
forth quickly. All of a sudden it lunged for me. Jesus pulled me even
closer and with a booming, mighty voice said, "SATAN, STOP!!!" The spirit
dove into His hand and then disappeared. I knew then that I was not there
to renew my vows with my husband, but rather WE were there to marry HIM!
That is when I awoke. I was afraid to share this before with people because
it was so precious, it did not deserve the glazed over look in people's eyes. I vowed never to share it with anyone if I thought it would receive this response.
COMMENT BY PAULA
Wow! This is a real special experience! Jesus knew where you were at and your approach to him was as a little child (He laughed the whole time and thought my childlike enthusiasm was sweet) You reached out to Him repenting and He stood between you and your husband to comfort and counsel you. The washing of your feet was His counsel for you to be in submission one to another as husband and wife but Hs answer to your problem and all problems is to be married/joined to Him in spirit. (I knew then that I was not there to renew my vows with my husband, but rather WE were there to marry HIM!)
There is no such thing as a “loveless marriage” when we are joined to Him because the very divine nature of being joined to Him is love. This divine and eternal love has its place in the role of the husband and the wife and it has its place in our relationship with the children, the brethren and all humanity. The love that is of the world is temporal, selfish and feeds on the sinful lusts of the flesh. The love that is of God bears fruit in the purity and wealth of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost of the kingdom of heaven!
So Satan, the accuser, deceiver and seducer of the brethren is always around to spoil the process of our being joined to Christ in spirit, soul and in body in due time. Our battle with him is a battle of faith because in Christ he has nothing in us or he has no door of access into our lives. Thus, in the arms of Jesus, Satan had no power of access to you whatsoever. Thus the Lord was showing you that we need to be IN CHRIST by faith and by the spontaneity of our life style, character and disposition when we are joined to Him. This is the life of the overcomer and God wants to see overcomers in Christ in the world (He threw His head back with laughter as if to say, "Silly girl, of course you have to back!")
As for the different encounters I have had with God and with demons, they are written in the my book on Dreams and Visions. My encounters with demons in spiritual experiences have been drastically reduced, but in the beginning of my Christian life it was hectic. Part of the reason for this was due to my background in Eastern Religions and Mysticism and the occult. Thus the realm of the spirit was real to me as it was to those of similar backgrounds. Sometimes folks who have parents or ancestral heritage in the occult also become sensitive to the reality of the spiritual world. Other times God just chooses whom He wants to bring into such realities but this is often linked to ones hunger and thirst for God’s reality.
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THE ORIENTAL WOMAN WAS EASILY RECOGNIZABLE AS REPRESENTING THE PRACTICE OF OCCULT RELIGIONS, AND WORSHIP OF FALSE GOD'S, BUT that she was not that far removed or different from those "Christians" in western cultures who practice the same, for the same heritage reasons, but do not believe or know really what they are *empowering* in the spiritual world, through their lightly held 'practices.’ Dream needing no interpretation by Vicki Camp on 11th Dec. 1999.
Subject: Depictions of evil spirits/demons, dream scenes
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 01:13:00 -0800
From: "Bill&VickiC." <VicJCdaystaremail.msn.com>
Circumstance: Before going to sleep, I was troubled and asking The Lord
about folks that do not understand "principalities, powers, rulers of
darkness in this age, spiritual hosts of wickedness... " (Eph. 6), as being 'out there' in this earth. They do not believe really, or have knowledge of this. They may
believe in God, but are ignorant or unseeing or unwilling to believe - of
the very real-ness truth of the devil and his minions as existent ...
12-10-99 two dream scenes:
I see up close an oriental woman, about 30 or 35 years old or thereabouts,
standing in her home. She is dressed in some kind of traditional wealthier
garb, like a lovely wrap floral design oriental dress. Her black hair is
also piled up in a traditional way, with a few trinkets interwoven. However,
I'm aware she is a modern present day woman.. and I know that she is Chinese.
Behind her are some low shelves against a wall with god's and things having
to do with her traditional religion, whatever this is ? She is also holding with both hands, some kind of small religious object in front of herself .... not sure what it was, but I think it was made of some kind of silver colored metal - like something that would hold incense.
I had the strong sense then, that this woman was 'practicing' a religion of
her heritage, and surprisingly that she did not really believe in it at all but she was just going through the motions, more or less, because it had been passed down to her through her family and culture...
Then appeared floating and moving in the room all around her, shapes that
were like glass - or see through. She did not see these, but I could see them.
They swirled and formed "bodies" of different sorts, but not of any
recognizable human shape. I knew I was seeing evil spirits in her house who
had been and were being formed because of her practice of this heritage
"religion".
I felt alarmed for her ignorance of what she was 'practicing'...because she
did not 'see' that her religious practice had any power or truth in the
spiritual realm at all .. and somehow I knew she was actually empowering
these spirits, by her lightly handled and believed practices... empowering in the
'spiritual world' of these evil spirits to flow and form freely all around her and her house.
Next scene which immediately followed: I was above looking down on a body of
water like the ocean, and a scene of many oddly red dressed rather small
creatures, kind of human form (i.e. unlike the swirling glass like "bodies"
of previous scene). They were riding red colored power ski boards, jet-ski's. I was seeing them from above and behind, and everything about them and their clothing was 'sharp curved'. Like pointed red hats with odd pointed brims coming sharp angled out the sides of their heads, and pointed elbows,
etc., of some kind of space-age-type semi-stiff material that was not
pliable, but kept its shape - in other words, pointed knees and all ! Even the red
jet-ski's they were each driving ferociously fast, making waves, were very
pointed.
I awoke then, knowing these creatures were depictions of evil spirits too,
as in the first scene, but thinking what an odd depiction I had just seen of
them ?! They were certainly all together 'on their way' somewhere in unison
...
I also had the partial interpretation 'knowing', after somewhat awakening,
that the oriental woman was easily recognizable as representing the practice of
occult religions, and worship of false god's, BUT that she was not that far
removed or different from those "Christians" in western cultures who
practice the same, for the same heritage reasons, but do not believe or know
really what they are *empowering* in the spiritual world, through their
lightly held 'practice's ' .. eww. VERY troublesome in my spirit, this was
and is .........
later that day: ...... I seem to be getting more pieces to the interpretation (what the Lord was trying to show me) of the li'l red evil guys - the little demons on the jet-ski boards, with sharp red hats / suits. They and their 'sharpness' may have to do with 'doctrines that men hold in unpliable-ness' ? sharp 'points' (or doctrines) which are 'stiff' ....that they are unbending on, or cannot /will not see beyond, even if wrong ! ...... and these can even empower / form these freaky red-suited creatures, demons, evil spirits - Just as the oriental woman seemed to 'empower' the demons in her own home...... the fact that these clothing/outfits reminded me of space suit material in the dream, may be reference to spiritual powers in the air and heavenlies.
COMMENT BY PAULA
I can understand why this dream had you deeply troubled. It had me feeling the same way somewhat, probably because I have just been warning my family who are yet in religious traditional Christianity and going through the religious motions, but who live after the flesh/world and do not hear and know God in the reality of an ongoing way. They also tend to cling to some dark aspects of Fijian traditional culture. When I equate this with many folks of Pentecostal and Charismatic "tradition" who may have different weaknesses but who are in the same condition, I am also very troubled.
Because I move and attempt to move among all Christian traditions, your dream spoke incisively and deeply into my own heart! It did not need any other interpretation apart from that which you have given. Those who do not understand the dream will be those who are yet blind and deaf spiritually in a truly sad way! May God have mercy upon us and move upon us all in a significant way to deliver us from principalities, powers and rulers of the darkness of this world who hold so many in bondage to Christian religious tradition which does not profit!
Eph 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against
principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of
this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13
Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able
to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Thank you Vicki for sharing this dream which should help to awaken so many that are asleep, blind and deaf because of cultural and traditional idolatry.
Eph 5:11
And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but
rather reprove them.
Eph 5:12
For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of
them in secret.
Eph 5:13
But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for
whatsoever doth make manifest is light.
Eph 5:14
Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the
dead, and Christ shall give thee light.
Eph 5:15
See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,
Eph 5:16
Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.
Eph 5:17
Wherefore be ye not unwise, but understanding what the will of the
Lord is.
Eph 5:18
And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the
Spirit.
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DECEIVING AND SEDUCING SPIRITS ALSO CAUSE CHRISTIANS TO HAVE STUNTED AND DEFORMED SPIRITUAL GROWTH AS THEY WORK TOWARDS CONTROLLING THE EATING HABITS of the people. Here the church structures and programs ensure that the direct teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit is effectively ostracized! Dream by Roberta Buck on 7th Dec. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 08:03:26 EST
From: RBuck22797daystaraol.com
Dear Brother Paula,
I feel like the Lord has given me a dream about the end times and the
Pastors. If I am wrong, please tell me.
Dream Dec. 7, l999
Part 1
I was in a building with many rooms. They were all painted white. Most
doors were just plain doors.
· The white building can speak of Christendom and the many rooms can speak of the different denominations, church movements and groups. The plain doors could speak of the simplicity of the reality of God in His Gospel and in the Holy Spirit through Christ Jesus.
2 Cor.11: 2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present [you as] a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his
subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from THE SIMPLICITY THAT IS IN
CHRIST.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached,
or [if] ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another
gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with [him].
But one of the rooms had sliding french doors. It was in this room figures in dark hooded capes started coming in... I felt no fear, but knew they were aliens (or demons) and knew I must leave the room. As I was leaving I glimpsed skull faces and skeleton hands on these hooded creatures.
· The dream is WARNING that not all doors and rooms are preaching and teaching the Gospel in the simplicity of God’s reality. Some ministers (doors, as the chief Shepherd was the door to the sheepfold) and their churches (rooms) have become habitations of deceiving and seducing spirits and doctrines of demons (skull faces and skeleton hands on these hooded creatures). These doors and rooms tend to be identified with the riches of this world (french doors). The warning is to get out of this room and door which is within Christendom!
1Tim 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and
doctrines of devils;
1Tim 4:2
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot
iron;
Part 2
We are leaving the building. There are many of us. Somehow even my ex-husband is in the group. He is carrying two duffel bags. The area is like sand dunes with sea grass and many garnelled trees. There are many hollows in these dunes and the deer are laying in them. At first I think they are dead, bur someone says they are just asleep, it is the middle of the day.
We are climbing over and under the stunted trees when we come to a pickup
truck with a tarp over the back end. I lift the tarp and add silverware and
kitchen utensils to an already full truck of the same. I put the tarp back
in place and turn to see my ex husband’s two duffel bags lying beside the
truck. One is still full and the other looks like it has been ransacked and
almost empty. All through the dream I sense the hooded creatures are everywhere.
· The dream is saying that deceiving and seducing spirits and their doctrines are rife within Christendom (All through the dream I sense the hooded creatures are everywhere). Their effect has been to cause the churches to be built on sand and to feed on the teachings of the spirit of the world (sea grass where the sea represents the nations of the world). They also cause Christians who thirst after the reality of the communion and fellowship of God (deer who thirst after the water brooks) to be put to sleep on such wrong doctrines (asleep on the sand).
· Deceiving and seducing spirits also cause Christians to have stunted and deformed spiritual growth as they work towards controlling the eating habits (kitchen utensils collected into truck, where food symbolizes spiritual teaching and ministry) of the people. Here the church structures and programs ensure that the direct teaching and leading of the Holy Spirit is effectively ostracized! So the deceiving and seducing spirits are in Christendom to steal, kill and destroy the life of the spirit of God from the hearts and minds of the people.
John 10:9
I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and
shall go in and out, and find pasture.
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:
I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more
abundantly.
John 10:11
I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the
sheep.
John 10:12
But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep
are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth:
and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.
John 10:13
The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for
the sheep.
John 10:14
I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine
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