D&V List No.374
Date: Saturday 19th December, 1999
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* Nadalee, I wonder if this spirit is already being unleashed upon Christianity and upon the nations of the world as evidenced by the murder, violence, warfare and population displacement in Barundi, Kosovo, East Timor and Chechnya in 1998 and 1999. Add to this the mass murder suicides in work places, towns and schools in the same period and one really wonders about the powers that are working in the world at the end of the millennium. Has the spirit of the beast arisen from the sea of the nations of the world so that its possession of the people and nations has begun? Dreams by Nedalee Thomas submitted on 14th Dec. 1999.
* The people were dancing in the aisles, shouting, raising their hands, etc. And as I looked down upon them, I was flooded and overcome with the urge to weep for them... I lowered my head toward the ground, and I saw that I was clutching two red curtains, one in each hand. I raised both my hands to my face, and covered myself with the curtains to weep into them... I saw myself standing in a large green valley, looking upward to the sky; above me, glowing in white, was a satellite. Then the satellite disappeared, and in its stead appeared the Lord Jesus, also glowing white... I saw myself fall prostrate to my knees before Him. Dream by Charles Vanderford received in 19996 and interpretation by Paula.
* The house with several rooms could speak of a church situation or a family situation with which you have been recently involved. A hole in the wall in one of the back rooms may be speaking of a drastically backslidden situation (junk in the hole)which potentially could affect the whole household (no door). The blood implies murder which is hateful criticism of another Christian which has brought about a messy situation (messy room). Dream by Sharon Pangalofski submitted on 12th Dec. 1999.
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NADALEE, I WONDER IF THIS SPIRIT IS ALREADY BEING UNLEASHED UPON CHRISTIANITY AND UPON THE NATIONS OF THE WORLD as evidenced by the murder, violence, warfare and population displacement in Barundi, Kosovo, East Timor and Chechnya in 1998 and 1999. Add to this the mass murder suicides in work places, towns and schools in the same period and one really wonders about the powers that are working in the world at the end of the millennium. Has the spirit of the beast arisen from the sea of the nations of the world so that its possession of the people and nations has begun? Dreams by Nedalee Thomas submitted on 14th Dec. 1999.
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:27:27 EST
From: NEDALEEdaystaraol.com
Dear Brother Paula,
I am submitting two dreams that I believe deal with spiritual warfare. The
first, I had last night 12-13-99, and I sense that it deals with a shift in
spiritual warfare, exposing new plots of the enemy. The second dream, I
regret not having sent sooner, as I had it 7-28-98, but I did not realize at
first that it was anything more than a personal dream. Now with the problems
of our schools here in America and children bringing guns to school and
killing children, I see that the dream is at the very least a call to prayer.
Blessings in Jesus name, Nedalee
DREAM ONE: Started out with one man throwing razor blades at me, but not
being able to hit me with them. As the dream progressed, several people were
throwing boxes full of razor blades at me and others. They would fling the
boxes in a way that many blades would come flying out at once. I was
shouting, "I bind you in the name of Jesus!" at them and they were saying "We
can't hear you." I was hit by several blades and had deep cuts on my hand and
one foot. Binding the demons seemed to be ineffective. End of dream.
SECOND DREAM: I was passing trough my old junior high school. I was in a
class room, but sitting down on some stairs with many people. Some girl,
acting wild, began to throw long staff like sticks with a sharp metal point
on them around. She was being violent, but not trying to hit anyone in
particular. This was a very dangerous situation.
She threw 3, then one hit me but not with the "point" so it did not pierce my
skin. I told her that if she did not stop, I would have her "Charged with
assault with a deadly weapon." This angered her and she came at me. She had
hearing aids in both ears and told me that she was deaf.
We fought with the long sticks, each time, mine breaking hers (which reminded
me of Moses staff eating the snakes of the Egyptians). Then she went outside.
I went to try to find the teacher to 'report' her. I found 3 or 4 adults
sitting behind a table like they were a committee, but the teacher was out of
the room. I decided to report the girl to one of the women behind the table.
She stood up and was about 7 feet tall and very fat around the waist.
When I told her about the girl, she exclaimed, "She must be one of THOSE
CHRISTIANS!" I grabbed her by the fat on her waist and said, "NO, I'm a
Christian!" She obviously HATED Christians. Then she said that she was going to "vote" us out. End of dream.
As I typed this second dream, I was struck by how the girl saying that she
was deaf seems to parallel the people/spirits of the other dream saying I
can't hear you.
COMMENT BY PAULA
Yes Nedalee, this is very worrying but it could be signaling a situation that is yet to come for Christians. Not being able to hear Christians may mean that power will be taken out of the mouth of Christians. This also speaks of martyrdom of Christians. Here I am reminded of the following scripture:
Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and
they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is
able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and
blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two
months.
Rev 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his
name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7
And it was given unto him to MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, AND TO
OVERCOME THEM: AND power was given him over all kindreds, and
tongues, and nations.
Nadalee, I wonder if this spirit is already being unleashed upon Christianity and upon the nations of the world as evidenced by the murder, violence, warfare and population displacement in Barundi, Kosovo, East Timor and Chechnya in 1998 and 1999. Add to this the mass murder suicides in work places, towns and schools in the same period and one really wonders about the powers that are working in the world at the end of the millennium. Has the spirit of the beast arisen from the sea of the nations of the world so that its possession of the people and nations has begun? Is the resurrection rapture going to take place soon so that it will be the remnant Christians who are going to be given to the rule and power of the beast?
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THE PEOPLE WERE DANCING IN THE AISLES, SHOUTING, RAISING THEIR HANDS, ETC. And as I looked down upon them, I was flooded and overcome with the urge to weep for them... I lowered my head toward the ground, and I saw that I was clutching two red curtains, one in each hand. I raised both my hands to my face, and covered myself with the curtains to weep into them... I saw myself standing in a large green valley, looking upward to the sky; above me, glowing in white, was a satellite. Then the satellite disappeared, and in its stead appeared the Lord Jesus, also glowing white... I saw myself fall prostrate to my knees before Him. Dream by Charles Vanderford received in 19996 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 21:58:06 -0800
From: "Charles Vanderford" <chaz_vdaystaronebox.com>
To whom it may concern,
Hi there.. my name is Charles. I happened across your web site through
a search engine, because I was seeking a dream interpretation resource..
or even better, someone who worked with the Internet public to help them
understand what it could be the Lord was saying to them.
Anyway.. I had this dream, exactly when I don't recall with much clarity,
but I do know it was within several months of my salvation. I’m not
sure of your availability to read this or respond to it..if not, that's
OK.. but if so.. I would deeply appreciate it, because I sense its a
great treasure of a message to me. and here it is...
I was standing, apparently on a balcony of a very large church. It was
directly in the back, the entire congregation was before me, their backs
facing me. There was a service going on, the music was vibrant and the
worship seemed quite alive. The people were dancing in the aisles, shouting,
raising their hands, etc. And as I looked down upon them, I was flooded
and overcome with the urge to weep for them... I lowered my head toward
the ground, and I saw that I was clutching two red curtains, one in each
hand. I raised both my hands to my face, and covered myself with the
curtains to weep into them... and when I raised my head back up and opened
my eyes, the entire scene had changed...
· Charles, as the dreamer you portray the prophetic anointing of the late 1990’s. The people of this anointing were called at the time of the dream to particularly intercede (covering yourself in the red curtains which represent the ministry of the blood of Jesus) for the church described. In the Old Testament, the curtains would have been sackcloth that the Israelites used to cover themselves for an expression of humility and shame in coming before God for intercession (1Kings 21:27-29). If the scripture chosen below is appropriate then this is a “Laodicean church” which is into prosperity in the riches of the things of this world but is poor in the spiritual things of the kingdom of heaven that Jesus has made available for them.
I now saw myself walking down a dirty and dusty path. I was holding a stick with a bag attached to the end, my clothes were torn and dirty, and I kept on walking... And then, the scene changed once more.
· Here, you as the prophetic intercessor have symbolically taken on the role of the Laodicean church which is the subject of your intercession. It is not uncommon for a prophetic intercessor to identify with the people that they are interceding for in the process of their supplications before God.
Rev 3:14
And unto the angel of THE CHURCH OF THE LAODICEANS write; These
things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning
of the creation of God;
Rev 3:15
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou
wert cold or hot.
Rev 3:16
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will
spue thee out of my mouth.
Rev 3:17
Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have
need of nothing; and knowest not that THOU ART WRETCHED, AND
MISERABLE, AND POOR, AND blind, and naked:
Rev 3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest
be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the
shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with
eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
I saw myself standing in a large green valley, looking upward to the sky; above me, glowing in white, was a satellite. Then the satellite disappeared, and in its stead appeared the Lord Jesus, also glowing white... I saw myself fall prostrate to my knees before Him, and that's when it ended.
Looks like the Lord was warning the Church to smarten up in being founded on the things of the kingdom of heaven because He is coming very soon and the signs of His coming are already beginning to take place.
Luke 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away
captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the
Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 21:25
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the
stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the
sea and the waves roaring;
Luke 21:26
Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those
things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall
be shaken.
Luke 21:27
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power
and great glory.
Luke 21:28
And when these things begin to come to pass, then LOOK UP, AND LIFT
UP YOUR HEADS; FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWETH NIGH.
Luke 21:29
And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the
trees;
Luke 21:30
When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that
summer is now nigh at hand.
Luke 21:31
So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that
the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
Luke 21:32
Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all
be fulfilled.
When I woke up, I knew that was a dream I would never forget.. it was
almost 3 years ago that I received it.. I’d like to hear your opinion
of it if that's possible.. I appreciate the work you're doing for the
people of God.. I’m understanding visions and dreams to be a wonderful
medium of communication from our Lord to us, and I pray he prospers the
ones who work for the benefit of the saints in this area. God bless
you...
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THE HOUSE WITH SEVERAL ROOMS COULD SPEAK OF A CHURCH SITUATION OR A FAMILY SITUATION WITH WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN RECENTLY INVOLVED. A hole in the wall in one of the back rooms may be speaking of a drastically backslidden situation (junk in the hole)which potentially could affect the whole household (no door). The blood implies murder which is hateful criticism of another Christian which has brought about a messy situation (messy room). Dream by Sharon Pangalofski submitted on 12th Dec. 1999.
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 18:36:03 GMT
From: "sharon pangalofski" <sharonpangalosdaystarhotmail.com>
Dear Brother Paula,
I had this dream about a month ago. I know I just don't have the fullness of
this interpretation so I'm submitting it to you for examination. You are so
appreciated. Thanks again, Sharon Pangalos
I am in a house with several rooms. Both of my girls are with me. I went to one of the back rooms of the house and noticed a large hole knocked in at the base of the wall. I bent over to look in the hole. Inside I could see a lot of junk. It
looked like a messy closet but was a full sized room full of old, dusty
stuff. I noticed that there was some blood on the floor going from the room
I was in going into the messy room, (with no door) like something had been
dragged into the room. I knew something evil and dangerous was in that room
and cautioned both of the girls to be very careful not to play by the opening.
Next thing I noticed was my oldest daughter sitting in the room next to the
messy room playing with a baby skunk. I gasped not wanting to move quickly,
not wanting the skunk to do what skunks do best. I was being very cautious
as how to handle the situation. I awoke.. Thank you so much for your
insight. Sharon Pangalos
COMMENT BY PAULA
Wish I knew the circumstances leading to this dream! Anyway, here is my attempt but you will have to let it help you clarify a better interpretation for your local context.
The house with several rooms could speak of a church situation or a family situation with which you have been recently involved. A hole in the wall in one of the back rooms may be speaking of a drastically backslidden situation (junk in the hole)which potentially could affect the whole household (no door). The blood implies murder which is hateful criticism of another Christian which has brought about a messy situation (messy room). This is a dangerous situation which needs to be addressed quickly lest the people involved (represented by your daughters) be overcome by consuming forces of darkness (skunk). The situation needs the loving and caring softly softly approach of a mother!
Matt 5:21. Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill;
and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his
brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say,
Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Gal 5:13. For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only [use] not liberty
for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love
thy neighbour as thyself.
15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed
one of another.
16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of
the flesh.
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