D&V List No.377
Date: Monday 27th December, 1999
Contents:
* If the father of the current peace initiative is the USA then the message of the dream concerning Israel’s continuing dependency on a close relationship with the USA is at risk. That is, the USA will distance itself from Israel and wash its hands from supporting it when the current peace initiative also ends in failure! Dream by Carolyn Cook on 17th Dec. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
* As the dreamer you represent the prophetic anointing and ministry and as
the leader your pastor represents the apostolic anointing and ministry.
Perhaps the Lord is showing you that your local church (boat) has been
called into this end time work/move of the Spirit (boat turning into a
submarine). This dream agrees with many dreams which are saying that God’s end time apostles and prophets will be working together very closely or in unity Dream by CryChrs submitted on Christmas Day 1999.
* This last scene appears to be highlighting the lackadaisical attitude to ministry and the spiritual degeneration that will come upon this prophetic ministry (the office appears dark and suffers from lack of sufficient lighting). The rods filed with the teachers materials could depict the corrective apostolic authority which will be laid with the teachings of the ministry. Dreams by Christine Gibson on 26th Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
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IF THE FATHER OF THE CURRENT PEACE INITIATIVE IS THE USA THEN THE MESSAGE OF THE DREAM CONCERNING ISRAEL’S CONTINUING DEPENDENCY on a close relationship with the USA is at risk. That is, the USA will distance itself from Israel and wash its hands from supporting it when the current peace initiative also ends in failure! Dream by Carolyn Cook on 17th Dec. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 23:52:25 -0700
From: "Cook Family" <emcdaystartelusplanet.net>
Greeting Pastor Paula and Team,
I pray you are all blessed with peace and joy over this Holyday. It seems as though it was such a short time ago that I said this for '98. 2000 is going to be a year of spiritual illumination, isn't it? I had the following dream 3 nights ago and felt an urgency about this one. It hasn't left for these past 3 days. I had been sensing the body is soon to birth the mystery of Rev. 12, I guess I'm not the only one who feels that, eh?.
On Friday Dec. 17th I had the following dream - I was standing alone in my dream and felt contractions. I looked at my stomach and it was flat, I didn't look pregnant. I was having strong contractions and I knew I had to squat (At this point I was birthing the way the Hebrew women birthed - this was very significant to me in the dream). As I squatted I felt the baby pushing through the canal, this was so real. I felt the whole sensation and relief of this baby coming out. When it flopped on the floor, I felt the umbilical cord pull inside of me, it hurt. It was securely attached still, I then felt this baby had come too soon. I looked at this baby amazed and saw that it was full size and male, but wasn't moving. I picked up the baby and noticed it was still attached to the cord and inside me (uncomfortable). I thought I should have another contraction and it will come out, but this didn't happen.
· Carolyn, perhaps you represent the nation of Israel (I was birthing the way the Hebrew women birthed) and the baby that has been birthed represents the new and current peace initiative between Israel and the Palestinians/Arabs? In this case the message of the dream is negative as the baby is premature, not moving and is not able to be liberated from dependency upon the constraining politics of the nation of Israel. [I picked up the baby and noticed it was still attached to the cord and inside me (uncomfortable). I thought I should have another contraction and it will come out, but this didn't happen]
Then someone pointed to a man and said that's the father. I was shocked because I didn't even know him and said that's impossible. I tried to get his attention, but he avoided me. I wanted to know who he was and if he was the father. The biggest sense I had when I awoke was this is premature and Wait. End
· Carolyn, this section of the dream could be saying that there have been so many world leaders involved in such a trying, confusing and frustrating peace process over the years that the actual father of the current peace initiative is unknown. However, if the father of the current peace initiative is the USA then the message of the dream concerning Israel’s continuing dependency on a close relationship with the USA is at risk. That is, the USA will distance itself from Israel and wash its hands from supporting it when the current peace initiative also ends in failure! (I tried to get his attention, but he avoided me. I wanted to know who he was and if he was the father)
Carolyn, the message of this dream agrees with Cindy Landry’s dream that was posted in D&V List No.370 under the heading of:
The implication here is that America has committed a sin which is similar to the sin that warrants being made naked and stoning under God’s Old Testament Covenant with the Jews. This is the sin of being joined with pagan spirits and religion, adultery and blasphemy of the name of the Lord. Thus, the implication is that America has become unfaithful to Israel in being joined to the opposition spirit in the United Nations with regards to Israel’s interests and destiny. Dream by Cindy Landry on 5th Dec. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
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AS THE DREAMER YOU REPRESENT THE PROPHETIC ANOINTING AND MINISTRY AND AS THE LEADER YOUR PASTOR REPRESENTS THE APOSTOLIC anointing and ministry. Perhaps the Lord is showing you that your local church (boat) has been called into this end time work/move of the Spirit (boat turning into a submarine). This dream agrees with many dreams which are saying that God’s end time apostles and prophets will be working together very closely or in unity Dream by CryChrs submitted on Christmas Day 1999.
Date: Sat, 25 Dec 1999 03:37:11 EST
From: CryChrsdaystaraol.com
I dreamed that I was going on a cruise and I got into a boat and it turned
into a submarine, the water was blue. My pastor went on the trip with me,
to my surprise we were very close to each other, it seemed we had a close
special bond.
COMMENT BY PAULA
You didn't give the date of the dream but I would say that it is a
recent one if this interpretation is credible.
The scripture that could help out here is:
1Cor 2:10
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit
searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
That is, the submarine represents a work/move of the Spirit whereby the
"deep things of God" would be revealed. This brings us to the work/move of
God in the late 1990's whereby God's end time prophetic and apostolic
anointing and ministries, for the establishment of the foundation to
God's end time glorious Church, have been and are being birthed and
raised up in the churches of the nations.
As the dreamer you represent the prophetic anointing and ministry and as
the leader your pastor represents the apostolic anointing and ministry.
Perhaps the Lord is showing you that your local church (boat) has been
called into this end time work/move of the Spirit (boat turning into a
submarine). This dream agrees with many dreams which are saying that God’s end time apostles and prophets will be working together very closely or in unity (we were very close to each other, it seemed we had a close special bond).
I guess this dream is coming to your local church and to the churches like a Christmas gift (Eph.4: 8 & 11) as you received it at that time of the year. Glory to God! Here is praying that you will be both called and chosen! Glory to God! Here is praying that you will be both called and chosen!
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THIS LAST SCENE APPEARS TO BE HIGHLIGHTING THE LACKADAISICAL ATTITUDE TO MINISTRY AND THE SPIRITUAL DEGENERATION THAT WILL COME upon this prophetic ministry (the office appears dark and suffers from lack of sufficient lighting). The rods filed with the teachers materials could depict the corrective apostolic authority which will be laid with the teachings of the ministry. Dreams by Christine Gibson on 26th Nov. 1999 and interpretation by Paula.
Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 01:12:47 -0800
From: "Christine Gibson" <hcgibsondaystarnwlink.com>
CIRCUMSTANCES:
Recently, I was greatly shocked when an Internet Prophetic site with a large following specifically named a number of groups as being scare mongers -- posing as 'prophets of the Lord,' including one with which I was quite familiar. My mind reeled! I thought "how could this be possible?" Last night I asked for a specific dream about this group.
DREAM #1 NOVEMBER 26, 1999
I was in the home similar to one from my youth, which appeared to have 3 bathrooms: 2 were in the basement, and 1 was on the main floor. In the natural, there was and is only one bathroom in this home. The basement in this dream is below the ground. That basement from my youth was always dank, dark, poorly lit, musty smelling, and for most of any given year, had standing water over a portion of the floor.
· Christine, you asked for a word on this prophetic group and it appears that you got an answer in these dreams. The home represents the ministry in question. Yes, the general message is negative so that the bathrooms portray the extent to which the ministry needed cleansing. Three bathrooms says that there is much cleansing needed especially relative to the apostolic and prophetic foundation ministries (2 in the basement).
I appeared to be an authority person who made recommendations about things. I knew we had an overabundance of towels and not enough space to store the towels. I was concerned about the bathroom on the main floor because it did not have room at all for these towels. Right now, they were stored next to the toilet. All the towels were the same: thick, lush, and green.
· As the dreamer I would say that you represent a prophetic perspective on this ministry. From John 13:4-5 and in the negative theme of the dreams we can see that the towel could represent the need for humility and submission to the brethren in the Body of Christ in the cleansing of the feet of others. The association of the thick, lush and green towels with a life of humility and submission is possible. The prophetic ministry in question is thus in great need of such a cleansing (had an overabundance of towels and not enough space to store the towels).
Each bathroom appeared to have someone who was in charge of that particular bathroom. Each person in charge stored the bath towels for that room where they wanted them. The idea was to keep the towels close to each bathroom. The bathroom on the main floor did not have a closet for its towels. However, it was close to a built-in storage shelf area where these towels could be stored (in the natural, this built-in bookcase is now a walk-in pantry). The only problem is, for these towels to be stored in this particular built-in bookcase, would mean
something else would have to be discarded because space is limited.
· The 3 bathrooms of the prophetic ministry that depict the need for cleansing could also point us to the prophetic areas of dreams, visions and prophecy. In this case prophecy could be the gift for the main floor and this will be credible if the prophetic ministry in question operates mainly in prophecy. (Dreams and visions have been associated with the apostolic and prophetic anointing of the late 1990’s) Thus, the dream is also saying that the ministry of prophecy of this prophetic ministry is in great need of a life of humility and submission (thick green towels) to the brethren in the Body of Christ. If the books and bookcase portray the words of prophecy that have been copied from others then they will need to go from the ministry so that God’s direct word, which comes to the humble, may be the life of the prophetic ministry.
After assessing for myself that the built-in bookcase did not have room for these towels, I made the recommendation that the towels for the main floor bathroom be stored with the towels in the basement. There was a general sense of disagreement with my suggestion. It seemed as though the folks in charge of the basement bathrooms thought they had more than sufficient towels and did not need or want any more. If the towels for the main bathroom were put with theirs, then their spaces would be cluttered with towels. I woke up.
· The dream is saying that those involved in the gift of prophecy should have the same character and attitude of humility and submission that the prophets and apostles of the late 1990’s have. (I made the recommendation that the towels for the main floor bathroom be stored with the towels in the basement)
DREAM #2 NOVEMBER 26, 1999
In my dream, I am again a person of authority. I am much accomplished with everything I do. I am in an office environment sitting at a desk inside of a manufacturing plant. I do not work for this company. I am visiting. I have a great fondness for this business and the people who are in charge. Likewise, they have a great fondness for me.
· The manufacturing plant represents the same prophetic ministry in question. It manufactures prophecy. You are well acquainted with this ministry but you are not of the anointing thereof by means of God’s calling upon your life.
For some reason, I am discussing some old prospectuses for two limited partnership programs with another person. I can remember when I
used to recommend my clients invest in these limited partnership programs (True, in the natural). The name of the company which stays in my
mind is Commonwealth. The limited partnership programs have been doing very well for years and years (not true in the natural). Investors
still want to put money into these programs (not true in the natural).
· Looks like this prophetic ministry is followed by Christians of many countries (Commonwealth) and has close ties with a couple of other prophetic ministries with regards to the formation of the vision and goal of the ministry (old prospectuses for two limited partnership programs with another person). This arrangement has been working well for years in attracting many subscribers to the ministry’s Prophetic List (investors).
The problem is the master packages for these limited partnership prospectuses have become old, faded, and hard to read. I am in a discussion with another person about these faded masters. He is of the opinion that it is too costly and time-consuming to re-do the masters and that the company has no choice but to continue to make illegible copies to give to new investors.
· It looks like the prophetic ministry has moved away from its original vision and goal (the master packages for these limited partnership prospectuses have become old, faded, and hard to read). Subscribers to the ministry’s Prophetic List no longer know the vision and aim of the ministry.
I casually start to take a look at the masters. Then I tell him "There is no reason for that. It would be most easy to retype these masters. I type over 200 words per minute. I'll be glad to work on preparing new masters in my evening hours after my day obligations are finished." This other person appears interested. I continue "If I do the typing and you hire a draftsman to replicate the drawings, we would be finished in no time flat."
He responds "but there are 1,500 pages to be typed!" He appears to think this project is too hard and is truly insurmountable. I tell him "So and so, this would not be hard. See, each page is double-spaced. How much time could it possibly take me to type a page?" In truth, typing over 200 w.p.m. means those pages would almost appear to create a wind current, because of the speed with which they would be finished. In the natural, I do type over 200 w.p.m., so I truly know how fast it would be to do this typing.
If I were to use a typewriter, 20 pages per hour would not be unreasonable. Perhaps even 30 might be done in an hour. If the pages are typed into a computer, then the number of pages per hour could be substantially even greater because there is no need for time to put the paper into the typewriter and take it out and "spell check" could do the spelling corrections. Thus, the 1,500 pages could easily be done in less than 30 days, working only a few hours a day.
I must have made a well-reasoned argument, or my math was too much for him, because he leaves me alone to do what I want. In my mind, I can still see him walk away sharply gesturing with his hands an expression of "forget it! I'm out of here! Let her do whatever she wants, I'll have nothing to do with it."
· In representing the apostolic and prophetic ministries of the late 1990’s you will be rejected in speaking correction and guidance into the negative situation of this prophetic ministry. That is, the anointing and message of God’s end time apostles and prophets will not be received by those who are of the “old prophetic” and who are given to pride and self justification (not given to humility and submission before the brethren).
SCENE CHANGES
I notice the office appears dark and suffers from lack of sufficient lighting. The office space appears to be in a manufacturing plant. I used to work in manufacturing plants. They are not known for having good lighting or plush offices.
Initially, I take the masters for these prospectuses and put them back into the filing cabinet. Then, I think I should not be doing this filing. It should be done by the secretaries because they probably have their own methods for filing. I am not a secretary and run my own company. This is also true in the natural.
The secretaries are sitting clustered together in another part of this building. They recognize me and my presence does not disturb them at all. They are most agreeable to my doing whatever I want to do. This amazes me because I've never known any secretary in the natural who liked any outsider messing with his or her filing cabinets.
However, for some reason, the secretaries also leave their desks and I am left alone. It appears to be the middle of the day. The place is empty and I am more aware of the darkness in the area and how much this space looks like a manufacturing plant: plain, bare, dull concrete, and dark. The arrangement of their desks looks similar to one of the places where I worked a long time ago. These secretaries have typewriters and their desks are separated from each other with filing cabinets. They do not have modern machinery. Filing cabinets also extend the length and breadth of the manufacturing plant floor space.
I now have a rod in my hands because one of the secretaries gave me this rod to file. I know the rod belongs to a teacher so I look for the files for the teachers. I find them. They are next to that secretary's desk. I find a series of rods filed with the teachers materials. There is a number on this rod as there is a number on every other rod. The number is an alphabetic letter followed by a dash and then 3 digits. i.e. I-247. I match it to where I think it should go in the filing cabinet. I am not sure of what I am doing. I put the rod away in the filing cabinet. Yet, because this is not my job, nor my company, I am not sure of what I am doing. I have my own company and it is not this one. I retrace my steps, take the
rod out of the filing cabinet and put it in a filing basket on one of the secretary's desks. I get up to leave the plant since I now realize there appears to be no one here who has any interest in assisting on this project.
· Christine, this last scene appears to be highlighting the lackadaisical attitude to ministry and the spiritual degeneration that will come upon this prophetic ministry (the office appears dark and suffers from lack of sufficient lighting). The rods filed with the teachers materials could depict the corrective apostolic authority which will be laid with the teachings of the ministry.
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