D&V List No.398
Date: Thursday 24th February, 2000
Contents:
A divinely given dream which is correcting the use of abusive words in M’s way of joking in a home group fellowship. Dream and interpretation by P on 14th February, 2000 and discipleship interpretation by Paula.
The question is, Why are you being revealed this word at a time of a networking and future gathering of apostles? I believe the answer has to do with God’s desire for a sharp separation of the River of God’s Spirit from the river of sewage in the days of the raising up of God’s end time apostolic anointing and ministry. Dream by Rev. M. Adrienne Hawthorne on 5th February, 2000.
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A DIVINELY GIVEN DREAM WHICH IS CORRECTING THE USE OF ABUSIVE WORDS IN M’S WAY OF JOKING in a home group fellowship. Dream and interpretation by P on 14th February, 2000 and discipleship interpretation by Paula.
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:35 +1100
Circumstances
1. Following several warfare type dreams, I had a long period awake before I had this dream.
2. Had a home group meeting yesterday and at dinner a lady was jokingly called an abusive name (“thick” or some word like it ). She has also been jokingly called by the same man, “You stupid idiot,” in times past.
Scene 1 GIVEN TO DRIVE A SPORTS CAR OVER A STEEP DIRT DRIVEWAY TO THE ROAD
I went to visit my friend Louise (spiritually unstable still?) who lived in a red brick building. When I arrived Louise wanted me to drive a car which was a vintage topless sports car. As I was turning the car around I went very close
to the side of the building. Her father ( Sir Edwards) came and told me
that it was his car and if I was going to drive it I needed some instructions. Which he gave me. After this I drove the car out of the very steep dirt driveway. I had difficulty with the driveway but once I got up onto the road the driving was extremely easy and I was able to drive very quickly.
Scene 2 DINING FORMALLY AT AN EXCLUSIVE MEN’S CLUB
My husband Murray and I, as well as Murray’s mother Val and her friend Ian were in the lounge of a Men’s club. This club was very exclusive and elegant.
The men were required to wear blue lounge suits, while the waiters dressed in a white 3 piece suit.
Initially Ian left and we were asked by the waiter to give him our order. We were unsure of what to order but we finally decided on orange juice and a plate of nuts. I was concerned about who was to pay for our order and I reflected that I did have a 20 dollar note in the topless sports car outside. At this point Murray paid the waiter and when Ian returned, he approved of the order and thought we had done well.
I then went and lay down on a couch/bed where I could observe the men’s
club. I noticed with appreciation Murray’s and Ian lounge suits as they
were seated in the circular lounge area which was in the centre of the
building. Not all the men wore these suits but it was a requirement
because as men they were the head of the club. The women were required
to dress appropriately but the dress standard for them was a little more
relaxed. I noticed that I was wearing a long dress which was appropriate.
PRAYING FOR A YOUNG GIRL WHO THEN TURNED OLDER AND WHO CAME FROM AN ANCESTRAL LINEAGE OF ABUSE
Then a young girl with dark hair and clear blue eyes came up to me and
told me that her father shouted at her. I asked her to tell me the
words he shouted at her and they were negative and destructive.
As I put my hand on her head I asked her to ask Jesus to heal her. I
did this to make sure that there was no confusion and she was praying to
Jesus. As I started to pray a powerful anointing came over both of us
and I found that I was leaning over her. I tried to resist leaning on
her but I could not. I also tried to adjust my skirt at the back but I
was incapable of moving until I had finished praying. After the prayer
I noticed that the girl was different. She appeared and looked much
older. I then explained to her that her father had been verbally abused
by his father and it was a spirit which was behind the abuse and
influencing the whole behaviour.( I awoke)
Num 14:18
The LORD is longsuffering, and of great mercy, forgiving iniquity and
transgression, and by no means clearing the guilty, VISITING THE
INIQUITY OF THE FATHERS UPON THE CHILDREN UNTO THE THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATION.
COMMENT BY PAULA
An important aspect of identifying the specific message of a dream is to know that the different scenes of the same dream relate to each other and therefore contribute to revealing the same message of the dream. The skill is to identify the gist of this message first before looking for the details in each scene.
P,s interpretation below is a good one from a general perspective of a word for the Church. Nevertheless, God is often very specific and when He is specific, we need to be able to read the dream accordingly. In all this we are aware that interpretation belongs to God and therefore appropriate insight and understanding must come by revelation and not by a list of symbols nor by circumstances around our lives at the time. The symbolism and circumstances, however, are vital to clarifying, giving more details and confirming the message of the dream.
Sometimes I write down headings to the different scenes and relate appropriate scriptures to sections that inspire them in order to help me identify the message of the dream. By this time I may be able to identify the relevant circumstance that the Lord may be addressing in the dream. Now I know that the Lord is correcting the man (M) who had jokingly used abusive names through this dream given to his wife. Now the dream may not need interpretation by the folks in the home group or it may only need minor interpretation.
The scenario of the young girl who was abused verbally by her father embodies a negative message of actual verbal abuse in real life that the Lord wants to correct. Here her father is representing the exclusive men’s club which the dream is revealing to be a macho man’s attitude or spirit of having complete dominance over women in the worldly sense of manly pride and self image. This has been in the family and it contrasts with, “Husbands love your wives as Christ loves the Church and gave himself for it.” The former is destructive while the latter ministers joy, peace and abundant life.
The sports car given to P is therefore revealing how her family ministry or more specifically how her husband M is going to handle this correction from the Lord. The sports car speaks of how quickly M will accept and deal with the divine correction once his eyes are opened. Because the correction is crucifying a hitherto area of personality that M and others were blinded to, the initial response will be a steep dirt driveway but this will immediately turn into a road of being comfortable and happy with the correction and edification. (once I got up onto the road the driving was extremely easy and I was able to drive very quickly.) The dreamer’s family ministry will then continue to go forth speedily! Glory to God!
DREAM INTERPRETATION BY PAM
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 19:06:35 +1100
Scene 1
I went to visit my friend Louise who lived in a red brick building.
When I arrived Louise wanted me to drive a car which was a vintage
topless sports car. As I was turning the car around I went very close
to the side of the building. Her father ( Sir Edwards) came and told me
that it was his car and if I was going to drive it I needed some
instructions. Which he gave me. After this I drove the car out of the
very steep dirt driveway. I had difficulty with the driveway but once I
got up onto the road the driving was extremely easy and I was able to
drive very quickly.
· May be in reference to the ministry of the apostles and prophets (
sports car). These ministries are receiving equipping and instruction
directly from God the Father. A requirement is to embrace the cross to
overcome the flesh which will facilitate moving freely in the spiritual
realm along the highway of the Lord.
Scene 2
Murray and I, as well as Murray’s mother Val and her friend Ian were in
the lounge of a Men’s club. This club was very exclusive and elegant.
The men were required to wear blue lounge suits, while the waiters
dressed in a white 3 piece suit.
Initially Ian left and we were asked by the waiter to give him our
order. We were unsure of what to order but we finally decided on orange
juice and a plate of nuts. I was concerned about who was to pay for our
order and I reflected that I did have a 20 dollar note in the topless
sports car outside. At this point Murray paid the waiter and when Ian
returned, he approved of the order and thought we had done well.
· The men’s club may be implying that the end time church shall be
establish on God’s divine order and headship.
-I. Corinthians 11:
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and
the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Scene 3
I then went and lay down on a couch/bed where I could observe the men’s
club. I noticed with appreciation Murray’s and Ian lounge suits as they
were seated in the circular lounge area which was in the centre of the
building. Not all the men wore these suits but it was a requirement
because as men they were the head of the club. The women were required
to dress appropriately but the dress standard for them was a little more
relaxed. I noticed that I was wearing a long dress which was
appropriate.
· Lounge suits reflect Gods order being established which will bring the
church into a place of rest in the equipping and provision of the Holy
Spirit.
· The waiters wearing a white 3 piece suit may refer to the ministering
angles of the Lord.
Hebrews 1:14
Are they not all ministering angels, sent forth to minister for them who
shall be heirs of salvation.
1 Corinthians 11
10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of
the angels.
Then a young girl with dark hair and clear blue eyes came up to me and
told me that her father shouted at her. I asked her to tell me the
words he shouted at her and they were negative and destructive.
As I put my hand on her head I asked her to ask Jesus to heal her. I
did this to make sure that there was no confusion and she was praying to
Jesus. As I started to pray a powerful anointing came over both of us
and I found that I was leaning over her. I tried to resist leaning on
her but I could not. I also tried to adjust my skirt at the back but I
was incapable of moving until I had finished praying. After the prayer
I noticed that the girl was different. She appeared and looked much
older. I then explained to her that her father had been verbally abused
by his father and it was a spirit which was behind the abuse and
influencing the whole behaviour.( I awoke)
· I am reminded of the sins of the Fathers being passed from one
generation to another. The result of this may be that leadership/
Fathers within the church have spoken negative doctrines which have not
been of the Spirit of God. This has a resulted in immaturity and a need
for healing from these doctrines in those who will make up the bride of
Christ. The prophetic of the individual leading and teaching of the
Spirit in prophesy, dreams and visions will have the anointing to
address this.
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THE QUESTION IS, WHY ARE YOU BEING REVEALED THIS WORD AT A TIME OF A NETWORKING AND FUTURE GATHERING OF APOSTLES? I believe the answer has to do with God’s desire for a sharp separation of the River of God’s Spirit from the river of sewage in the days of the raising up of God’s end time apostolic anointing and ministry. Dream by Rev. M. Adrienne Hawthorne on 5th February, 2000.
Subject: Dream Submission
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 22:43:16 -0500
From: "M. Adrienne Hawthorne, CNM, PhD[c]" <revmahdaystarnewlifebegins.com>
Recently through the on-line networking of apostles, the Lord has prompted
us to set aside a time for networking and a time of "Apostolic Impartation". This meeting is to be held this May in Albertville, Alabama. Shortly after we planned this meeting I had the following dream:
I had gone to a meeting of believers, it seemed like a conference. The
conference was held at a school. I first remember being in a room, that
reminded me of a "reception". Many others were there. People were talking
and meeting one another. A prominent well known Christian pastor, the
"Bishop" of a network of churches here in the states approached me as if he
knew me well. Other men were with him, they appeared to be amourbearers;
however, they seemed more like personal bodyguards. He asked me how I was
doing and where had I been. I remember thinking that I did not personally
know him, and wondering why he acted like he knew me, and that he knew me
so well. I sensed that he wanted to give me a hug, and he made gestures to
do so. I was sitting down at the time, I stood and embraced him. It seemed
like what should have taken a few seconds, lasted for minutes. I sensed
that he was waiting for me to "do something" and I felt more and more
uncomfortable. He did not say a word. He only tugged at the back of the
pants I had on. I wondered what was going on, and what were the other
people in the room thinking as they saw this. I began to relax my embrace,
and he let me go and walked away. I felt embarrassed, and a bit violated.
The next thing I remember is being in my room at the same location. I was
picking something off the floor, and suddenly a grate materialized where I
could see into the basement. As I peered through the grated I saw the dead
body of a woman. There was a stream of blood coming from her head. She was
dressed. I did not look for too long before I went out to speak to someone
in leadership at the conference. I approached someone who I referred to as
"Elder", and told him what I saw. He did not seem too concerned, and he
said that he would call the police.
After a period of time, I remember the police arriving. They asked me a few
questions, and then left. I was waiting in my room for them to come back
and tell me the results of their investigations; however, they never
contacted me any further. I waited for quite some time before finding
someone to ask what happened. I was referred to this same "Elder" and he
still appeared unconcerned. He asked me did I remember about that woman
that was reported missing. I told him that I had not heard anything about
it. He continued to tell me that a woman had been reported missing and the
body that "washed up out of the sewer", into the basement of this building,
belonged to this woman. He also told me that her husband murdered her
because she had a hysterectomy, and threw her body into the river. I was
appalled as he told me the story.
I believe that this dream speaks to false apostles and the indifference to
the integrity in the foundational ministries, and as a result the Bride of
Christ is dead and sterile.
Respectfully submitted,
M. Adrienne Hawthorne
New Life Begins, Inc.
Rochester Apostolic Prophetic Alliance
14 Franklin Street, STE 1321
Rochester, NY 14604 USA
COMMENT BY PAULA
First of all we need to establish that divinely given dreams are often for very specific revelation insights and instructions. Albeit, this treasure is hidden in metaphors, symbolism and parables of the language of Christian dreams and visions.
A character in a dream can often portray someone else but his/her position or character in real life would be descriptive of the person the dream is really speaking about. At other times the character in the dream is about the same person in real life. It is here that we understand that interpretation belongs to God! Thus the bishop in the dream can either be portraying himself and his ministry or he could be portraying someone who is also a bishop with a similar kind of ministry. He may even portray a “bishop type” that exists in the churches today.
The circumstances of the dream involving the meeting of apostles, is obviously important to God and we would thus expect that the dream would relate to it. No doubt the ministry of the bishop and of the conference are painted in a negative light according to the dream. I would say that they represent a particular apostolic style of ministry (Other men were with him, they appeared to be amourbearers; however, they seemed more like personal bodyguards.) The style is showy, arrogant, pushy and given to hyped superficial relationship that violates the honesty and decency of others (he let me go and walked away. I felt embarrassed, and a bit violated.)
Eph 4:14
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and
carried about with every wind of doctrine, BY THE SLEIGHT OF MEN, AND
CUNNING CRAFTINESS, WHEREBY THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE;
This apostolic/bishop type of ministry (basement/foundation of the building) represent a particular stream of ministry which the dream is suggesting to be involved in a river of sewage waste ("washed up out of the sewer.") I have to say that this is not an uncommon dream vocabulary representation which refers to counterfeit so called revival movements that are given to deceiving and seducing principalities and powers of darkness.
The dream is dramatically warning that counterfeit apostolic/bishop movements of this kind will only result in the spiritual death of the churches (the body that "washed up out of the sewer",) that are followers of them. The perpetrators themselves are demonically blinded and desensitized to the fruit of their work (I approached someone who I referred to as "Elder", and told him what I saw. He did not seem too concerned).
The dream is also warning that, as it was with many cults, the leadership (husband) of such so called revival church movements (woman) will ultimately murder or destroy the very people who are their followers. This is happening in the spirit realm and could find expression in the physical world! The signal for the time of murder will be when new members are no longer coming into the fold and all the hype begins to sound hollow and empty. (He also told me that her husband murdered her because she had a hysterectomy, and threw her body into the river.)
The question is, Why are you being revealed this word at a time of a networking and a future gathering of apostles? I believe the answer has to do with God’s desire for a sharp separation of the River of God’s Spirit from the river of sewage in the days of the raising up of God’s end time apostolic anointing and ministry. The relevant scripture which pertains to the dream and which is a word for the gathering of the apostles is:
Eph 4:11
And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for
the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of
the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature
of the fullness of Christ:
Eph 4:14
THAT WE HENCEFORTH BE NO MORE CHILDREN, TOSSED TO AND FRO, AND CARRIED ABOUT WITH EVERY WIND OF DOCTRINE, BY THE SLEIGHT OF MEN, AND CUNNING CRAFTINESS, WHEREBY THEY LIE IN WAIT TO DECEIVE;
Eph 4:15
But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things,
which is the head, even Christ:
Eph 4:16
From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that
which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in
the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the
edifying of itself in love.
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